[Claud]

Of course it's nuts.

We got a bunch of people here flipping out because the Pope is allowing priests to lift the automatic excommunication you get as soon as you get, or help someone get, an abortion. That is church law.

What, pray, is the penalty prescribed for abortion in all these so-called Bible Churches? And what penance do they prescribe for people to make right what they have done? Or does the sinner get off scot free?

And how can people with a straight face complain about getting forgiveness from a man, and then declare themselves categorically forgiven? If men can't forgive sins, that means you. So how dare you walk around telling everyone your sins have been forgiven by God when you didn't get that info straight from Him?

[PigRigger]

"And what penance do they prescribe for people to make right what they have done?"

I must ask.. do you beleive we can earn God's grace? When did Christ say you will find forgiveness through any action of your own... In reading the Bible it is clear, you call with a repentent heart for the father to forgive you through the justification of the Son's actions.... not our own... We do not earn favor... it s a gift, so we may not boast in ourselves....