AFTER SUPREME COURT ORDER KENTUCKY CLERK WILL NOT ISSUE GAY MARRIAGE LICENSE

9/1/2015 | Self

[Nextrush]

It happened in Kentucky minutes ago with Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis explaining to a gay couple why she would not give them a marriage license....

Cameras were there......

[Jonah Johansen]

Why were there less than a dozen supporters there instead of a thousand ?

Last Sunday with in a 25 mile radius, I am guessing, probably 10,000+ Christians attended church.

Yet today less than 1 in a 1000 of those “Christians” showed up to support this woman.

I remember years ago 60,000+ men showed up for a “Promise Keepers” rally in Boulder,CO at Folsom field.

Yet it was business as usual at the local Late Term Abortion clinic.

[DiogenesLamp]

Agreed. I applaud her moral courage but if the rule of law can be overthrown by one person saying their religious beliefs trump court orders then what the hell are we gonna do when someone cites the Quran in defiance of the law?

She is adhering to the long standing and well understood meaning of the law when she follows her religious convictions. The people in the wrong are the ones who have attempted to force a change to the law without going through the proper legal process, i.e. the legislative process.

Any deviations from the centuries held understanding of the law should not be respected if it does not occur as a result of the legislative process.

Judges were never intended to have the power to force changes in law, their duty is to interpret the law in accordance with the intent of the legislators, not to make it up themselves.

If the court suddenly ruled that black people must be excluded from voting, it would be no more the duty of the clerk to enforce that immoral law than it would be to enforce this immoral law.

What we need to do is tell people that the court has violated it's authority, and that we will deliberately disobey them when they are wrong, in any manner we can.

We need more governors to defy the courts. We need to push the idea that the courts deserve to be defied, and that we have a right to defy them.

We need to make the idea of defying out of control courts socially acceptable.

[Tau Food]

That is what this situation is. It is a breach of the implicit societal contract with this woman.

The appropriate remedy for a breach of contract is a lawsuit for the breach. And, it is a court that will decide that breach of contract.

I think that if you're honest about all this, you will acknowledge that you don't believe this dispute should be decided by a court. I think you believe that this case should be decided by this woman - that she should be the judge of her own case.

We don't do things that way in this country.

[DiogenesLamp]

My religion trumps court orders but yours doesn’t?

That is not an unreasonable understanding of the rights guaranteed by a document that ends with "Year of our Lord" and exempts the President from working on the Christian Sabbath.

In a word, Yes. The Christian religion trumps the Muslim one in a Christian Nation.

We have just been lied to about the character of this nation when it was created for many years now. People don't remember or understand that there existed official state religions in 1787 when our governing document was written, and even in 1862, the expressly Christian nature of this nation were well understood by the highest authorities in our nation. Here is an example.

This modern nonsense of separation of church and state is the byproduct of Liberal Kook Judges appointed by Roosevelt and the misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[Genoa]

Media circus: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3217457/Reckoning-nears-clerk-resisting-sex-marriage-ruling.html

[DiogenesLamp]

The Bible speaks in more than words. For example, God burned to death two cities full of people because of homosexuality. He doesn't actually say he disapproves of it, he demonstrates it forcefully.

I take his vehemence in destroying these two cities as a measure of his opinion on the subject.

Elsewhere (Leviticus, I believe) it says homosexuals should be killed. I would think that clears up any lingering ambiguity regarding the topic.

[DiogenesLamp]

Handing out and processing civil marriage licenses (no one is asking her to perform religious marriages)--or, if she doesn't want to do that, having someone else in her office do it--is not the same as running concentration camps.

The running of concentration camps began as the exclusion of Jews from government positions.

I sh*t you not. If you cannot see where this is going, then I have no hope of enlightening you as to the danger.

[INVAR]

Excellent point of analogy.

And no different.

It is better for us to obey God than men.

Our God is strong enough to save her from the consequences of refusing to bow down to wickedness, but even if He doesn’t - I think it’s great she will STILL not obey their orders.

[Charles Henrickson]

This situation brings together the issues of religious liberty, federalism, states’ rights, the judiciary legislating from the bench, the First Amendment, and the Tenth Amendment.

I should have mentioned the Fourteenth Amendment also, since the "justices" on the Supreme Court like to use it to invent "rights" out of thin air.

[Charles Henrickson]

[DiogenesLamp]

I do not believe that the Volksgerichtshof will be fair to Jews.

We don't do things that way in this country.

We didn't used to. Neither did the Germans.

[DiogenesLamp]

I should have mentioned the Fourteenth Amendment also, since the "justices" on the Supreme Court like to use it to invent "rights" out of thin air.

Ping you to another comment by someone who understands the destructive nature of the badly written, immorally passed disaster that is the 14th amendment.

[Charles Henrickson]

And it’s not just the Old Testament. The New Testament, likewise, is clear:

“For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:26-27)

“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

“Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. . . .” (1 Timothy 1:8-10)

[the_boy_who_got_lost]

Matt Bevin just posted this on his facebook: "As Attorney General, it's Jack Conway's job to defend the Constitutional rights of all Kentuckians, including the religious freedoms of our county clerks. To make matters worse, Conway's refusal to defend Kentucky's same-sex marriage ban is costing Kentucky taxpayers $2.3 million. My full statement: http://bit.ly/1Xbg4N1"

[DiogenesLamp]

I am always at a loss to comprehend the people who say the bible has no opinion on homosexuality.

It leaves me thinking that mental illness is not just limited to homosexuals.

[INVAR]

Handing out and processing civil marriage licenses (no one is asking her to perform religious marriages)--or, if she doesn't want to do that, having someone else in her office do it--is not the same as running concentration camps.

Slippery slope to the same exact thing.

If you cannot comprehend that, then you are part of the problem.

[Tau Food]

I do not believe that the Volksgerichtshof will be fair to Jews.

I think that the Jews who lived in Nazi Germany would have been very pleased to trade their circumstances for the legal system here in the United States. Is it that you haven't been taught what it was like for Jews and minorities in Nazi Germany or is it that you have been taught that you are entitled to live in a world that has been specifically designed for your complete happiness?

Your burden is to live in a world where two mixed-up guys can get married. Why go on living? ;-)

[Diamond]

The law doesn't exclude same-sex marriage.

Kentucky Revised Statutes

402.020 Other prohibited marriages.

(1) Marriage is prohibited and void:
(a) With a person who has been adjudged mentally disabled by a court of competent jurisdiction;
(b) Where there is a husband or wife living, from whom the person marrying has not been divorced;
(c) When not solemnized or contracted in the presence of an authorized person or society;
(d) Between members of the same sex;
(e) Between more than two (2) persons;
...etc.

Cordially,

[dadfly]

so let me get this straight. your position is that any public servant who cannot in good conscious enforce an edict of the gov’t courts should resign?

and btw, by definition: resignation == surrender.

[ForYourChildren]

Thanks for posting this.