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Surrendering a Birthright (The Author shows his ignorance)
Townhall.com ^ | August 23, 2015 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 08/23/2015 7:41:39 AM PDT by Kaslin

Republican presidential candidates often invoke Jesus, but lately they sound more like Jehovah. The Old Testament says, "I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." Punishing kids for their parents' sins is the idea behind proposals to revoke birthright citizenship.

Donald Trump started the discussion with an immigration plan that promised to stop letting all those born in America automatically become Americans. Ted Cruz agrees, as do Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Ben Carson, Lindsey Graham and Bobby Jindal. Scott Walker said he did, but then hedged. Chris Christie is open to the suggestion.

Under established law, a child born here is a U.S. citizen, even if the parents are present without permission. That rule derives from the Fourteenth Amendment, which grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States."

So changing the rule would mean amending the Constitution. Even if that were a serious possibility, it would be a bad idea. Getting rid of it would create a raft of problems without delivering any offsetting benefits.

In the first place, it would consign many people born, raised and educated here to inferior status, forever. They could be deported to countries that many have never seen. Most would stay, because we lack the resources to find and banish them all. But they'd be blocked from full assimilation, lacking any particular reason to be loyal to the land of their birth.

This scenario is not speculation. In the 1960s, Turkish migrants were allowed to live and work in Germany, but until 1991, neither they nor their descendants were eligible for German citizenship. So they were estranged from the rest of the country.

As The New York Times reported in January, this population lived in "tightknit communities largely isolated from Germans except in the workplace. That sentiment of separation lingers to this day."

Likewise, abolishing birthright citizenship in the United States "would lead to the establishment of a permanent class of unauthorized persons," said a 2010 analysis by the Migration Policy Institute (MPI).

If two people born here but deprived of citizenship grew up and had children together, those kids would also be deprived of citizenship. The MPI study estimates that by 2050, there would be a million third-generation "foreigners" living here.

Trump deems birthright citizenship "the biggest magnet for illegal immigration," which is like saying Trump is the main reason people move to New York. Unauthorized immigrants come here in search of jobs or family reunification, not the nearest maternity ward.

Many reproduce, because that is what human beings tend to do, especially if they are young and fertile, as this group tends to be. "Anchor babies," as their offspring are pejoratively known, are the byproduct of unauthorized immigration, not the cause.

A 2011 study by the Pew Hispanic Center reported that only "9 percent of the unauthorized foreigners who had babies in 2009-2010 had arrived in the U.S. in 2008 or later." More than 60 percent arrived before 2004.

Santorum points out that most countries in the developed world don't offer such "enticements to illegal immigration." He fails to note that even without it, the nations of the European Union have millions of unauthorized immigrants. Rich countries have a way of attracting natives of poor nations, even if they try to keep them out.

Anti-immigration groups bewail "birth tourism," in which foreign women travel here near the end of their pregnancies. That practice is rare. There were just 8,583 births to foreign, non-resident mothers in 2013 -- one out of every 459 births.

Trump and others don't realize the change would have consequences for all the children whose parents didn't sneak in. Gregory Chen of the American Immigration Lawyers Association says that today, nearly everyone uses a birth certificate to prove citizenship. Under a revised rule, "you'd need a new bureaucracy to verify each and every newborn child's eligibility."

Americans would have to apply to the federal government just to assure their kids the perquisites of citizenship. If he gets his way, Trump's grandchildren may not thank him.

As policy changes go, this one stands out for a sort of perverse genius: It would tangibly benefit no one, while harming not only unauthorized immigrants and their American-born kids, but also American citizens and theirs. And for all those who can attest with pride that they were born in the U.S.A., it would offer a sour retort: So what?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016elections; birthright; donaldtrump; illegalimmigration; immigration
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1 posted on 08/23/2015 7:41:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Can’t “surrender” what you don’t have to begin with. False definitions of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are beyond merely pernicious.


2 posted on 08/23/2015 7:50:47 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin
Republican presidential candidates often invoke Jesus, but lately they sound more like Jehovah.

Um... Jesus IS Jehovah.

3 posted on 08/23/2015 7:50:49 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Trump - because sometimes you need a big @$$hole to eliminate all the cr@p.)
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To: Kaslin

Stopped reading after the third paragraph.

Townhall, National Review etc. have become unreliable... that is being generous. Many times they are printing what are just outright damnable lies. This is one of them.

This is just another bleeding heart...if you make the excuse for the children you may as well go out in all the world, gather them up and bring them here until we are all broke and destitute.


4 posted on 08/23/2015 7:52:15 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaned our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Kaslin

The 14th Amendment was written during the times of the Civil War & the freeing of the slaves.

It was intended to make SLAVES & THEIR CHILDREN American citizens.

It was NEVER meant to encourage pregnant illegal women to come over the border during their labor & drop their child on American soil.

This has been wrong for a number of years & it has to stop.


5 posted on 08/23/2015 7:52:51 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Sequoyah101

Did you miss my addition to the title? (The author shows his ignorance)


6 posted on 08/23/2015 7:55:10 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Also noticed the citation by the author of the Migration Policy Institute. One of the founders thereof, Kathleen Newland, is a graduate of Princeton’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, and is a “veteran” of several divisions of the endemically-communistic UN.


7 posted on 08/23/2015 7:55:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin
In the first place, it would consign many people born, raised and educated here to inferior status, forever.

I don't think so, because the Constitution also prohibits the ex post facto application of laws. At least that's what logic and a clear reading of the Constitution tells me. Heaven knows, logic and clear reading have had little to do with it the past forty years or so.

8 posted on 08/23/2015 7:56:14 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Kaslin
Under established law, a child born here is a U.S. citizen, even if the parents are present without permission. That rule derives from the Fourteenth Amendment, which grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States."

Ah, but you conveeeeeeeniently left out the next phrase in that clause (or is it the other way around?): "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

Are you saying the child is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. from the moment its born? What happens if the parents decide to take it back home? Is the child not a citizen of its parents' country?

9 posted on 08/23/2015 7:58:45 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Kaslin

No, I did not miss it. I was just chiming in.

The dishonesty is rampant. Most of it is aimed at Trump.... then there is hitlery.

I hate lies and liars in any form. Really don’t care who is telling the lie or whom it is about... lies are lies and I hate them and the liar.


10 posted on 08/23/2015 7:58:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaned our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Kaslin
Under established law, a child born here is a U.S. citizen, even if the parents are present without permission

An outright lie. There is NO such established law.

11 posted on 08/23/2015 7:58:56 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Kaslin

Invoke The Bible to shame us?

Come through the front door, like everyone else


12 posted on 08/23/2015 8:00:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
In the first place, it would consign many people born, raised and educated here to inferior status, forever

BUNK. They would be nationals of their parents home country. They can easily move there - which they SHOULD - and enjoy whatever rights of citizens of that country have.

13 posted on 08/23/2015 8:00:44 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Kaslin; All
As for Chapman, he spreads himself around quite a bit. He is a Chicago liberal who infests all of the RINO mouthpieces.
14 posted on 08/23/2015 8:08:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin

“Many reproduce, because that is what human beings tend to do, especially if they are young and fertile, as this group tends to be.”

Oh. So you look at Latina’s as “fertile”. Pretty damn RACIST of the author.


15 posted on 08/23/2015 8:08:31 AM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: ridesthemiles

That is correct, and it seems that even so called constitutional lawyers are not getting it


16 posted on 08/23/2015 8:09:31 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Using Steve Chapman's logic, we'd have to shut down all the prisons and we'd never be able to arrest anyone.

After all, doesn't the 5th Amendment say, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime"?

But, wait, it goes on: "unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury"

Ohhhhhhhh. That's different.

When you start reading the entirety of those pesky Amendments, they start taking on totally different meanings.

Here's your homework assignment, Steve. Read the whole damn Amendment.

17 posted on 08/23/2015 8:11:11 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle
A child is born to legal immigrants who have a Green Card and are permanent residents is a natural born US Citizen
18 posted on 08/23/2015 8:14:33 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Olog-hai

Well that explains it, doesn’t it?


19 posted on 08/23/2015 8:15:31 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Texas Eagle

They all omit that conveniently.


20 posted on 08/23/2015 8:17:14 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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