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Hey Christians, Say Goodbye To Religious Freedom [There will be plenty of cake, though]
The Federalist ^ | 8/14/15 | David Harsanyl

Posted on 08/16/2015 2:47:21 AM PDT by markomalley

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1 posted on 08/16/2015 2:47:21 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
No private business owner should be compelled to do business with anyone for any reason, including race, sex, or religion. The US Constitution was not written to force Americans to surrender their private property rights, religious freedom, and freedom of association as a price of doing business. The US Constitution was written to prevent government from discriminating against people, i.e. equal treatment under the law for all! A privately owned cake shop is not a government agency, and therefore must be allowed to discriminate against anyone for any reason. That is liberty, my FRiends.

BTW, free--as in unrestricted--exercise of religion is an explicitly protected and enumerated right under the US Constitution, whereas gay marriage--US Supreme Court edicts notwithstanding--is not an enumerated, specifically granted right.
2 posted on 08/16/2015 3:07:44 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: markomalley

One of the reasons the court can get away with this is because so many people reject ALL religion, that they simply don’t care about ANY ruling that would legitimize religion in ANY way.


3 posted on 08/16/2015 3:08:08 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

“One of the reasons the court can get away with this is because so many people reject ALL religion, that they simply don’t care about ANY ruling that would legitimize religion in ANY way.”

And when they come for them, who will remain to stand in their defense?


4 posted on 08/16/2015 3:19:56 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Talisker

And another reason is that obama stacked the courts with anti-religious judges.


5 posted on 08/16/2015 3:20:46 AM PDT by Catsrus (M)
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To: markomalley

So when is someone going to order Pork Liver Pate’, Bacon and Brats from the Halal butcher for their Tim Tebow Tailgate Party and Prayer Breakfast?


6 posted on 08/16/2015 3:38:45 AM PDT by shibumi ("Cover it with gas and set it on fire.")
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To: markomalley

This from a link in the SteynOnline archives. A bakery in Denver can refuse to make an anti-homesexual cake, but must make a homosexual “wedding” cake.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/04/i-dont-think-th.html


7 posted on 08/16/2015 3:46:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: shibumi

Now that I’d like to see.


8 posted on 08/16/2015 4:19:26 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Tax-chick

Call me out of step, but it has really never occurred to me to make a social or political statement with a cake.

Is this what Malcolm X meant with “...by any means necessary?”


9 posted on 08/16/2015 4:33:28 AM PDT by shibumi ("Cover it with gas and set it on fire.")
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To: shibumi

In the new era, everything is a social or political statement. A cake for a Christening celebration is a Statement. A cake for a wedding or baby shower. A cake for graduation or joining the military.

I once had a giant cookie decorated to celebrate the completion of the Tiger Cub rank by the group of boys I was leading. Someone could have taken offense! Another time I got cakes for an event at a religious foundation. An atheist (or Moslem) Sam’s Club employee might have objected to writing “Missionaries of the Poor” in icing.


10 posted on 08/16/2015 4:43:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: CitizenUSA

Perfect answer.

We need a president and congress with enough guts and majority to correct the direction and path this country has gone down. Will it ever happen? I pray every day for that miracle.

Congress needs to put the Judicial branch of government on notice for it’s activism and repeal a few unconstitutional “laws” created by a branch that has no business “making” law.


11 posted on 08/16/2015 4:50:09 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Tax-chick

How about this.....Bake the damn cakes and double the price. When the dust settles give half the profits to the church of your choice, thus having let the purchaser contribute to the church in your name. The churches may be willing to accept the money as most often they need it.


12 posted on 08/16/2015 4:57:39 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Talisker

quote: “so many reject ALL religion.”

America is too secular, drugged-out and hormone-addled to care about the rights of those Bible-thumping Christians.

The powerful secularists include the liberal media, college professors,liber-doper-tarians, and promiscuous homosexuals (I repeat myself).

On top of that, rising numbers of atheist young people think the Bible has too many rules, especially the narrow-minded ban against hooking up and shacking up.


13 posted on 08/16/2015 5:08:39 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: markomalley
We American Christians have become soft. Christianity was born in an era where your leaders were madmen like Caligula and Nero. Followers of the Way were murdered in gruesome ways. Only one of the 12 original disciples died a natural death.

Yes, America was founded as a free country. However, our nation, like all nations except Israel, will eventually fade into the dust. We as Christians simply need to remember our salvation comes from the Lord and not from man...no matter how much we agree with them politically.

14 posted on 08/16/2015 5:17:41 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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To: ThomasMore

It started in the civil rights era when government passed laws forcing businesses to do business with minorities. The constitution only prohibits government from discriminating or showing preference for anyone, as we are entitled to equal treatment under the law.

I personally think it’s evil to discriminate against someone based on the color of their skin, but I also think it’s evil for government to show preference based on skin color (affirmative action) and to take away private property rights, freedom of religion, and freedom of association. Nevertheless, that’s where the country is today.

The only way to solve these issues is to return to constitutional governance. That is the only reasonable, clear standard. Government must not discriminate or show preference. Otherwise, every law becomes a struggle for political power with the winner cramming their will down on everyone else.


15 posted on 08/16/2015 5:26:32 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: DaveA37

I expect some businesses will choose those options. However, the intention of the homosexual activists is not to acquire a cake. The intention is to create a “discrimination” case. If the merchant simply quotes a price - high or low - the activists might continue looking until they found someone who would not.


16 posted on 08/16/2015 5:27:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: markomalley

Sounds like bad logic even about what advocacy is. This was not about a blank cake but a wedding-themed cake.

Being that as it may be, perhaps it would show a better tie to traditional Christian beliefs to also be selective about what opposite-sex marriages get serviced.


17 posted on 08/16/2015 5:44:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: markomalley
"Let them eat cake!"
The Politicians in Washington
(note tagline)

18 posted on 08/16/2015 6:07:20 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("The politicians scattered like roaches" ~Ann Coulter" (Insult to roaches ~SB))
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To: markomalley

The main requested caketop decoration must have to be a same-sex couple set of silly dolls. Otherwise, ANYONE purchasing just a simple generic wedding cake would not have to blubber on about it being a “gay” wedding to the baker. If I had a bakery; I’d just quit “decorating” wedding cakes & just make plain white cakes with white frosting & sell flower decorations separately so PEOPLE can simply decorate their own dern cakes themselves.


19 posted on 08/16/2015 8:04:18 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: markomalley

Jesus never promised freedom. He said we’d be persecuted. Buckle up.


20 posted on 08/16/2015 8:36:03 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:21)
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