[Smokin' Joe]

There was another Waco in Waco. It supposedly wasn't over guns, but a parking lot fight that led to 9 dead, roughly 20 wounded, 177 arrested on identical charges and held on 1 million dollars bail each. No one is sure how many of the dead were killed by police (autopsy info still not released), and the Feds were there, too.

The local spokesperson for the police was one of a team which got a commendation for its work in the aftermath of the Mt. Carmel massacre.

[Carry_Okie]

There was another Waco in Waco...

Unless I am mistaken, it was in magnitude but not in principle. Koresh was a Christian leader of a community including women and children who were ordered to die by people at the highest level of the Federal government.

To my knowledge, "the Feds;" i.e., with tanks and full military, were not there. No women and children were targeted. And no, although state police now use equipment such as MRAPS, it is not the same. Whether the Feds were there or not, this was clearly a situation in which the State had at least the appearance of being the lead agency, not the BATFE.

Both Waco and Ruby Ridge were PR disasters because innocents were slaughtered by Federal agencies. Nobody is thinking that bikers qualify for that status. Hence, the two are substantively different.

[rawcatslyentist]

The local spokesperson for the police was one of a team which got a commendation for its work in the aftermath of the Mt. Carmel massacre.

Lon Horiuchi, have gun will travel. Taxpayer funded federal assassin.

Murdered a defenseless woman holding her infant. Current status, still employed.