FOX News Republican Presidential Primary Debate - Main Event [LIVE THREAD 8:50pm ET]

FOX News ^ | Aug 6, 2015

[Jim Robinson]

FOX News Republican Presidential Primary Debate - Main Event [LIVE THREAD 5:50pm ET]

[kelly4c]

Stupid over the top slogans, PC crapola. I don’t watch much news anymore but it looks like Fox people are getting just as ignorant as their couterparts.

[kelly4c]

I know. Isn’t it refreshing? :)

[Mozilla]

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 3m3 minutes ago .@FrankLuntz, your so-called "focus groups" are a total joke. Don't come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!

[kelly4c]

It’s not about THEM. Goodness, people are so prideful and unprofessional these days.

Speaking of unprofessional, I can’t believe I have to listen to members of management use foul language constantly at my job. Senior management finally put the word out no more swearing allowed but when they aren’t around it goes on like there’s no tomorrow and I’m fed up with it!

[kelly4c]

Good I hope so

[kelly4c]

Some people from the UK when hearing another Bush might be put into office said I thought you guys fought a war to get out from underneath dynasties.

[MARKUSPRIME]

Im done with Fox News they are part of the establishment GOP wing, and want Jeb or another RINO to win. Trump actually tells the truth about the problems with this nation, and is the only one doing so. It scares the elites in power to death and its why he gets attacked from everyone. You always get the most flak when over your target. Oh and Megan, you are disgusting, you should be on msnbc

[nathanbedford]

Irrespective of who created Trump as a candidate, Trump is a media creation.

Let us assume that Trump is a self created media creation-a plausible assumption-but it is irrational to deny that the host of the Apprentice is a media creation. The point of identifying Trump as a media creation is not to invoke the old saw, that which the media creates the media can destroy, rather it is to identify the dynamic by which a media creation continues to live or dies in the national consciousness. Please consider what I said in post #57 of that thread:

"Oh for Pete's sake, the point of the vanity is not whether Trump is the passive creation of the media or rather that Trump's candidacy is a joint venture of interaction between Trump and the media, the point is that the Trump phenomenon is a media phenomenon and as such it will live or die. Trump supporters have got to deny that the Trump phenomenon is something other than a media phenomenon (however created) so they can deny the conclusion of the vanity. They do this by nitpicking whether Trump controls the media or the media created Trump.

They do not want to consider the distinction between a grassroots candidacy and the media phenomenon. They do not want to consider the implications of a media defined and driven candidacy."

In Trump's case, the dynamic is that it must become ever more outlandish or it fails its own reason for being. We saw that in focus last night. It came in focus because Trump was not operating sui generis he was operating in comparison to nine other highly competent debaters among whom were successful governors, popular Senators, a popular television personality as well as former governor, and two doctors against whom he would be compared and who supplied yardsticks of both performance and substance.

Was Trump's appeal that he said it better than anyone else? No! He was over the line on several occasions and near the line on several more occasions. His exchange with Megan Kelly is an example. This idea that the Fox interrogators were set up to destroy Trump is fanciful but, even if true, they got him or rather he got himself. His personal attack on Kelly lost for him all the points he had gained by damning political correctness. But the point is the world saw Donald Trump's unattractive side. His performance failed.

Was Trump's appeal that he was saying something no one else was saying? No! It is clear that many candidates up there were making the same arguments on the same issues as was Trump. If Trump's entry card or key to entering the debate was his position on immigration, he shows no substantive advantage to a conservative voter over Cruz or Walker (new edition-but which edition of Trump are we talking about?). Cruz did not differentiate himself on substance over, for example, Cruz.

Did Trump utter substance better than Cruise uttered substance? No! The electorate can see a coherent, comprehensive statement on immigration from Cruz without being embarrassed.

To Limbaugh's point that the media cannot destroy Trump as they destroyed the viable political force of Sarah Palin. That is silly. The media will destroy whom the media pleases among the unwary or vulnerable otherwise we would have Republican president after Republican president. Sarah Palin was undone by the media because, like Richard Nixon she handed them a sword and Donald Trump is doing the same. The media will only twist it.

I believe my point stands, indeed the whole point of the vanity to which you were referred remains valid.

We shall see whether the arc of Donald Trump's popularity is topping.

One last point which is rank conjecture on my part. I believe Trump's popularity was a response to frustration, anger and, above all, fear. The American people believe in Ronald Reagan's vision of a great nation, a city on the Hill they know what America can be and should be but instead they feel their country disintegrating under their feet. They are quite rightly frightened and a frightened populace can be desperate. In their fear and desperation they were eager to overlook Donald trumps flagrant flaws of character but what they saw on the stage last night tells them that there are other men of better character in whom they can reliably put their trust and who can bring us through. They are his equal or his better in performance and substance.

It will be interesting to see the next round of polls.

[monkapotamus]

[kelly4c]

Well she shouldn’t have. It’s up to the American people to make up their minds about the candidates on an even playing field NOT be influenced by a self-important news personalities. You can’t be a fair and impartial moderator without reigning in your own bias.

[kelly4c]

Me neither. Him and Walker don’t hold my attention at all when they speak. I find my mind wandering. Rand Paul comes off a humourless crabby man. Christie reminds me of a mobster dude haha but seriously he’s not polished enough for highest office in land.

Cruz/Trump 2016

[kelly4c]

He seems an excellent fellow but does he have any experience in running anything or in military? He’s a neurosurgeon and obviously very intelligent but is he right for the office of presidency? Don’t know much about him, or Fiorina for that matter...

[kelly4c]

Fox been like this I noticed in past when I tune in they always running their mouths and not showing much news footage and info I weasnt learning much from watching them except opinons so I stopped

[Paul R.]

Well, it’s surely right-biased, and not surely scientific, but the Drudge post-debate Poll presently has Trump hovering around 52%. Ie., Trump has more support than all 9 other candidates put together, out of nearly 1/3 million votes. Only Cruz, at 12.3% (presently) has a showing that’s even respectable, following Trump. Then there is the astonishing FaceBook response to Kelly & Fox... I don’t think these are all Trump employees...

[kelly4c]

Yeah I saw that one. Good on Martha and Bill.

[Mozilla]

Trump won the Time poll running away as well and then leads the Right Scoop poll.

[Paul R.]

Check out Fiorina on YouTube. Several of her past positions have been dubious, and to me she may still be questionable on some. Still, she’s been through some BIG “life challenges” in the past several years, so she may well have revised her thinking in some areas. If nothing else, when questioned, she’s usually UNusually clear, concise and unafraid with her answers, flat out calling Hillary a liar, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJH7p4H0pA

[Paul R.]

Thanks, I’d seen the Right Scoop poll, but not the Time poll. If legit, it’s VERY interesting that Trump is at 46% in the Time poll, as that’s NOT a conservative website at all.

[tdscpa]

Good bye FR. This place has gone bat shit liberal.

[stockpirate]

“Well she shouldn’t have. It’s up to the American people to make up their minds about the candidates on an even playing field NOT be influenced by a self-important news personalities. You can’t be a fair and impartial moderator without reigning in your own bias.”

Megyn Kelly is taking a big hit on FB over her bias against Trump, Huckebee got only softballs to hit out of the park and she attacked Walker on abortion. I had already decided that Huckster was toast but she and Fox confirmed it for me.