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My promised article concerning McCain and the USS Forrestal(CV-59) Fire
23 July 2015 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 07/23/2015 12:28:26 PM PDT by US Navy Vet

I will not use Wikipedia as some people have BUTTHURT with Wiki. This is what is will use: http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/cv-59/59f-0729.htm


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial
KEYWORDS: cv59fire; johnmccain; mccain; ussforrestal
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To: US Navy Vet

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21 posted on 07/23/2015 12:44:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: US Navy Vet

Thank you for posting this. I was Marine Corps and not Navy, the only flight deck I was ever on was on an LPD, so the perspective is appreciated. :-)


22 posted on 07/23/2015 12:44:23 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: US Navy Vet

McAmnesty is still a sellout now and whatever he was in the past, he’s a piece of shit now.


23 posted on 07/23/2015 12:51:19 PM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: tanknetter
I despise McLame; but a pilot wielding an extinguisher in that already hugh fire would of not been helpful to the DC crews and could of cost other lives. I give him a pass on that. There are plenty of other things he is guilty of.
24 posted on 07/23/2015 12:51:22 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: US Navy Vet
My recollection is similar to yours with the age of the ordinances I seem to recall a certain inactive base 35 miles north of The German border, that base emptied its bomb storage area and a small number of Air Force security( aka Air Police personnel were flown to Rein Mein . My recollection is that the shipment was scheduled to be some big playground in another theater. Point is that we were cleaning out our inventory of dumb bombs( bombing blind without specific confirmed coordinances, what difference does it make if they explode or end up in a rice patty.
25 posted on 07/23/2015 12:51:59 PM PDT by shadeaud (Be strong when you are weak and stand up for our Constitution.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Thanks for posting this. It clears a lot of the smoke. I was an EM3 on USS Columbus (CG-12) when Forrestal was in Portsmouth Naval Shipyard for repairs. She seemed to have a fire, or a drill every week or so. Her nickname on Columbus was “Firestall”.

Later, in 1973, I was an LTJG on USS TREPANG (SSN674) in the Med. I went home on leave the day the October War started. When I got back to Naples, TREPANG had left without me, so I got to write the “Patrol Report” for SUBFLOT 8. They sent me out to Independence for a week as “submarine liaison officer”. WOW, Carriers are dangerous places! I was never so happy to be back on my nice safe nuclear submarine!


26 posted on 07/23/2015 12:52:57 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Another source with details

From: Naval Aviation News, October 1967
compiled and edited by Senior Chief Journalist John D. Burlage
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=73


27 posted on 07/23/2015 12:53:15 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mad_as_he$$

http://youtu.be/h3gOMvdRq-M


28 posted on 07/23/2015 12:56:05 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Sherman Logan

We’ve been over this before here. A pilot loses a plane for any reason, then after all is said and done said pilot is lucky to be able to return to the cockpit flying for Uncle Sugar, even if the loss wasn’t his fault. After two aircraft losses then it’s hard to ever fly again on the taxpayers dime, unless your father is high up which McCain’s was. Once again it’s either a bad or unlucky pilot, neither type can the taxpayer afford. So when this accident happened, his time as a USN pilot should have been over.


29 posted on 07/23/2015 12:57:15 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Sherman Logan

It can’t be, that is why I wrote the article. McCain can take(deservedly) the blame for LOTS of things but the Forrestal Fire AINE’T one of them.


30 posted on 07/23/2015 12:57:27 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: smokingfrog

Gerald was a very brave man that day.


31 posted on 07/23/2015 1:03:12 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: US Navy Vet
I hope you do not mind my adding HTML code. I've long wondered about the circumstances and vaguely recall that McCaon was not to blame. Though one national talk show hosts has insisted that it was McCain' fault. Doesn't look like to me.

Ok on the day that this tragic event occurred

The Bombs [that] were placed on both A-4E's were The Bombs that were "issued" to the Forrestal NO ONE, Any way McCain saw all of this and
32 posted on 07/23/2015 1:05:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: US Navy Vet
USS Forrestal Aircraft Carrier Disaster 46 minute documentary

John McCain escapes Forrestal explosion 1:17 Raw film of the Forrestal fire.

Diagram of planes on Forrestal deck.

NS025929.– This diagram was taken from a drawing provided by USS Forrestal and shows the location of CVW-17 aircraft spotted for launch moments before the fire broke out. From "Naval Aviation News," October 1967 issue.

33 posted on 07/23/2015 1:07:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

http://www.virtualwall.org/df/FarrierGW01a.htm


34 posted on 07/23/2015 1:09:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: US Navy Vet

Watch the video. Flames coming out from under two planes starting with McCain’s. (wet start). Ball of flames came first then missile took off.


35 posted on 07/23/2015 1:10:15 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Bull crap.


36 posted on 07/23/2015 1:11:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Not sure thats really the case today. Few years back I met the first pilot who had to step outside and F-22 Raptor while it was in flight. He was part of the OT&E unit. Problem was quickly traced to sensor malfunctions and he was up flying another Raptor about a week later.

Again, thats today. Back in the 1960s there was still a latent WWII mentality that surviving a crash made a pilot better. Go look at the Navy pilots who put their planes into Lake Michigan (the ones that for the last 20 years have been brought up and restored) during training and went on to successful combat service.

Heck, consider that Chester Nimitz grounded his first command (a destroyer), went on to a successful career in submarines (where he became one of the Navy’s experts on diesel propulsion) and ran the Pacific Fleet in WWII.

With aircraft now costing in the hundreds of millions of dollars each, and warships in the billions, with both expected to last 40 years or more, it’s a different world today. But I’m also pretty sure those guys who crashed a B-2 on Guam (another sensor malfunction situation) didn’t lose their flying careers.


37 posted on 07/23/2015 1:14:08 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: US Navy Vet

thanks for the post. mccain is a menace to our nation, but some of the accounts “flying around” here were pegging my bs meter.

and btw good move avoiding wiki.


38 posted on 07/23/2015 1:16:36 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: TigersEye

Well you have taken the blue pill once too often. Why didn’t McCain make Admiral? He was a total eff up but his daddy and granddaddy were admirals and any and all of his antic got covered up.


39 posted on 07/23/2015 1:18:45 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Was this the second or third plane he lost?

From FactCheck.org:

McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them. One crash was found to be be McCain's fault, the other due to an engine failure of undetermined cause.. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when a missile fired accidentally from another plane hit either the plane next to McCain's or, less likely, his own aircraft, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi.

A fifth alleged "crash" turns out to be a misinterpretation of a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. McCain admitted to causing that incident through "daredevil clowning" but returned safely.

I don't know what official Navy rules are, but it doesn't seem quite fair to describe the aircraft that was blown to pieces after it was engulfed in a massive fire caused by a missile launched from another pilot's machine as a plane McCain "lost."

There have been many comments here at FR over the years to the effect that any pilot who had an aircraft loss charged to him (as McCain did, according to the FactCheck writeup) would have been washed out of the program, and that the only reason that didn't happen to McCain was because of his family connections in the Navy.

40 posted on 07/23/2015 1:18:50 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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