Posted on 07/22/2015 7:11:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
The writer is either lying, or is hidden under a rock unaware of the truth.
In either event, why read further?
Indeed. The stories about him in Nam have been around for a long time. Collaborator was the term most often used.
I have never liked McShamey. I believe Jeremiah Denton was the REAL hero
>> The writer is either lying, or is hidden under a rock unaware of the truth. <<
So are you saying he' lying and actually does like his hair, or that it's a mop of comb-over Real hair?
Actually you should read further...because most of the article is anti-McCain, and Not anti-Trump.
His feet stink, and he doesn't love Jesus.
Bingo. I'm sick to death of the free passes that turd has been given because of military service. There is NO linkage. Present day crimes are not excused because of events of 45 years ago.
Repeat after me...Keating 5. John Glenn got his share of free passes because he had been an astronaut. Again, no linkage.
That Christian rescue outfit mentioned in the article sounds like a good charity to give to. The Director’s comments re McCain are priceless.
I am not a McCain supporter, far from it.
But, this post simply repeats the same rumors that anti-McCain forces, mostly very liberal Dems, have repeated about him for years.
There is only one on-the-record comment about McCain from anyone who would know, and that is from Vice Admiral Stockdale. Stockdale would know. He was SOP and McCain’s cellmate in the Hanoi Hilton.
He said all the McCain stories about “songbird” are BS, and McCain served honorably. So much of the other is what communist reporters say he said. Who do you trust, a MOH-winning American or communist reporters?
He laced them up and served. I did a RVN tour, and I know few real ‘Nam vets (other then REMFs, like guys that sat around safe bases in safe places like Thailand and effed the local $2 hooch mamas every night) who would criticize his military service, or the service of anyone who spent time in the HH with a broken arm that was never treated. How bad was that broken arm? He still can’t use it 45 years later.
Again, I hate McCain’s politics, but if we just repeat the same unverified “war stories”, are we any better the DU faggots?
Dislike his stupid RINO politics all you (we) want. But lay off the BS military stuff. I left some good parts of my knee over there, and going after another’s service, with nothing but unverified rumors is sacred ground to many of us.
How did McCain improperly eject from his plane?
IBNC
The fact that McCain conspired with John Kerry to hide MIA and POW records negates any hero status he might have had.
P.S., and with all respect to your Blue Zoomie service, you (and all of us real mil vets here) know better than to repeat war stories.
We are ALL better than this.
And I consider it blasphemy to smudge the straight-arrow prisoner-of-war record of a man who was near death when he arrived at Hoa Loa prison 1967: both arms broken, left leg broken, left shoulder broken by a civilian with a rifle butt.
He was eventually taken to the same rat-infested hospital room I had occupied two years earlier, and, like me, he had surgery on his leg. By then the Vietnamese had discovered that his father was the ranking admiral in the Pacific Fleet, and he received an offer that, as far as I know, was made to no other American prisoner: immediate release, no strings attached. He refused, thereby sentencing himself to four more years in a cell.
George "Bud" Day and Orson Swindle, fellow POWs, told PolitiFact that POWs sometimes were forced to talk when they were tortured, but they tried to tell lies to mislead their captors.
"We were all tortured and we wrote confessions under the pressure of torture," said Swindle, who was a cellmate with McCain and is active in his campaign. "John McCain never collaborated with the enemy. He, like every one of us, submitted to severe torture. John McCain did nothing dishonorable. He was heroic."
[...]
[On the original flyers slandering McCain:]
Day, a Medal of Honor winner who also is supporting McCain's campaign, said the flyer is "the most outrageous f------ lie I've ever heard."
Stories about McCain’s actions as a POW have long circulated in the media. I am sure Trump has learned of them. The truth is, McCain’s conduct as a POW violated The Code:
Consisting of six articles in simple language, the United States Military Code of Conduct orders American military personnel to resist capture at all cost and if captured; to attempt to escape, to give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number and date of birth, to take charge if senior, to obey orders of the seniors, to accept no favors from the enemy and to make no written or oral statements disloyal to the United States.
“A lot of people don’t know… that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity,” wrote American blogger John Aravosis. The reason such information does not come out is that McCain’s “hero” perception is too well established to be upset by the information filtering out that speaks otherwise.
ON Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press began quoting him giving specific military information. One report read, “To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: ‘My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to its raids on the North Vietnam territory - VNA) and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. Altogether, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.’” In that report, McCain was quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.
A declassified DOD document reports an interview between POW McCain and Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist who was living in Cuba at the time. The interview was published in the Havana Granma in January 1970.
According to the DOD report, the meeting between Barral and McCain (which was photographed by the Vietnamese) took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi. During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and ate oranges and cakes with his interrogator.
While talking with Barral, McCain seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by failing to evade answering questions “to the utmost” of his ability when he, according to the DOD report, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in school.
1999 - March 25, 1999, The Phoenix New Times: Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson, two former POWs, who were McCain’s senior ranking officers (SRO’s), at the time McCain says he was tortured in solitary confinement, told the New Times that while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it.
“Between the two of us, it’s our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in that camp ,” Larson says. “. . . My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted’s knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from.”
Mr. Shoebat has a beautiful gift for words.
http://conservativebyte.com/2015/07/fact-checking-the-trump-mccain-fight/
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/05/29/john-mccain-war-hero-or-something-less/
http://polidics.com/ethics/fellow-pows-say-john-mccain-was-a-coward-and-a-traitor-in-viet-nam.html
http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm
http://antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/27/mccain-betrayed-viet-pows/
http://takimag.com/article/judas_mccain_guy_somerset/print#axzz3gOCRtr7x
Ross Perot's running mate?
Steve Ritchie, the only USAF ace in SEA, said Bud Day was the “realest of the real deals”
Why? Because you would find that the article is not critical of Trump, but of McCain -- and brutally so.
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