The argument about the 2nd should always begin with the question “Who has the natural right to defend themselves and their family?”
Until you answer that question, the following questions of taking that right away from citizens are moot.
Argument? No arguing required. :>} Maybe we need to take a page from their instructions and dismiss their “arguments” like they always dismiss ours. Except they have the governing bodies and the IPOS/LPOS/SPOS/UPOS convinced that they are right and we are not. Facts be damned.