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Never-before-seen footage reveals Russian-backed rebels arriving at..wreckage of MH17 [Video@Link]
News.com.au [VIDEO AT LINK] ^ | 17.07.2015 | News.com.au

Posted on 07/16/2015 4:40:06 PM PDT by Krosan

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To: Krosan

I heard that the Waco PD did it


21 posted on 07/16/2015 6:00:42 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We have no proof who said anything. How do you know who is behind a computer screen on an untraceable network?

We have no clue who is running the show on the ground, who these people really are and what money is changing hands.

All can be fabricated. All can be theatre.

Most important thing is to stop listening to the f’n showmen and just stop killing each other. It’s ALWAYS a lie


22 posted on 07/16/2015 6:05:11 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga
We have no proof who said anything.

You are talking about stuff coming directly from the Russians, including their official media. You are not familiar with the things I have been referencing.

23 posted on 07/16/2015 6:19:16 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: varyouga

Stop with your xenopatriotic bullshit. Russian State TV Channel 1 is not somebody untraceable behind computer screen. RussiaToday network is not untraceable. You are purposely trying to muddy the water here, because I guess you think this is what good Russians must do.


24 posted on 07/16/2015 6:27:09 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

“It is expected that insurgents and terrorists do not own high-altitude SAM systems.”

3 days before MH17, a military cargo plane was shot down in this warzone at 21,000 feet.

That is FAR above the range of hand held AA missiles.

Only one day before MH17 a second military plane was shot down.

It would have been common sense to simply divert traffic around the warzone, a small percent of Ukraine.
It would have cost only a few minutes fuel.

Instead Ukraine and civil aviation simply raised the minimum flight altitude in the area.

All USA airlines, British Airways, Lufthansa, Asiana, Qantas and many others avoided the warzone by policy.

Pilots complained about the danger of the overflights to both civil aviation and the airlines themselves. Some traded shifts to avoid the flights specifically out of this concern:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698579/Two-cabin-crew-refused-fly-doomed-plane-war-zone-safety-fears-Senior-pilots-cabin-crew-flagged-concerns-flight-path-weeks-tragedy.html

There’s also gross misinformation out there that claims huge numbers of planes flew the exact same path as MH17.

The way this claim works is by defining all overflights of Ukraine as “the same path”.

But Ukraine is the biggest country fully within Europe and the warzone was a tiny percent of Ukraine. The overwhelming majority of flights taking this route did not come close to overflying the warzone itself as MH17 did.


25 posted on 07/16/2015 7:01:50 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos; TexasGator

TexasGator just wrote in post 18 that The American Federal Aviation Administration did not restrict that region. These around 900 overflights by various airlines during the past 7 days were not for 603,628 km² Ukraine, but for 140km radius around Donetsk (1,500 km²).


26 posted on 07/16/2015 7:14:17 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: A.A. Cunningham; AlexW; andyk; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bigg Red; bigheadfred; ...

Video, more photos, transcript at source: Never-before-seen footage reveals Russian-backed rebels arriving at the wreckage of MH17

May justice be done.

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27 posted on 07/16/2015 7:33:21 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Krosan

“TexasGator just wrote in post 18 that The American Federal Aviation Administration did not restrict that region. “

How is that significant when

1) In nearly all cases the FAA just runs with whatever the foreign country civil aviation officials decide for their own territory.

2) ALL USA airlines already avoided Ukraine overflights by policy before MH17.

The interesting question is why didn’t they divert flights away from the warzone after a big military cargo plane was shot down at 21,000 feet 3 days before MH17?

The answer might be money:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/23/ukraine-gets-200-million-a-year-for-allowing-overflights/

“Economically beleaguered Ukraine earns an estimated $200 million a year simply by allowing foreign aircraft to cross its airspace enroute to other destinations.”

“After Malaysia Air Flight 17 apparently was shot down over Ukraine, some critics questioned whether the Kiev government allowed dangerous airspace to remain open so that it could continue to collect overflight fees. “

“But a high-ranking official with the international aviation group, who asked that he and his organization not be identified because they were making available closely-held data, said Ukraine likely was under pressure from airlines to keep its skies open to overflights. The route taken by MH17 is popular for flights from European capitals to major cities in Asia.

“It’s a complicated issue,” the official said. “It’s not just Ukraine that has an interest, it’s every airline that flies there. They don’t want to have to fly around [Ukraine].” Taking a less direct route would require burning more fuel, the number one expense for airlines.”


28 posted on 07/16/2015 7:40:49 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Krosan

Seems strange to me that so many here reject the obvious and seem to be Putin protectors?

This is a conservative, pro-America, site. Right?

/sarcasm.


29 posted on 07/16/2015 8:02:58 PM PDT by Crystal Palace East ("We Must All Hang Together, or Assuredly We Will All Hang Separately" B. Franklin)
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To: TexasGator

FAA has little standing with foreign carriers and foreign, non-contiguous to US airspace.

Foreign carriers should have listened, though.


30 posted on 07/16/2015 8:06:56 PM PDT by Crystal Palace East ("We Must All Hang Together, or Assuredly We Will All Hang Separately" B. Franklin)
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To: edpc
"They believed they were shooting at an SU-25. The radar signature isn’t close and the Frogfoot is incapable of reaching the altitude at which the airline was traveling."

Hi edpc. How did you convince yourself that you know what they believed they were shooting at? Very strange.

What you are saying doesn't make any sense when military cargo planes had been shot down at the same timeframe and place.

1 month before MH17, an Ilyushin Il-76 military cargo plane was shot down in the warzone. This is many times the size of a fighter jet and flies as high as conventional airliners. The wingspan is 165 feet, compared with 197 feet for a 747 or 48 feet for an su-25.

Here is what it looks like:



and 3 days before MH17 a AN-26 military cargo plane was also shot down at 21,000 feet, also many times bigger than a fighter though it doesn't fly very high.

The US military accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 1988, while Ukraine accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 2001.
31 posted on 07/16/2015 8:07:54 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Crystal Palace East

“FAA has little standing with foreign carriers and foreign, non-contiguous to US airspace.”

The FAA issues formal warnings to the international carriers. I believe that these have more than a little standing with those carriers.


32 posted on 07/16/2015 8:16:33 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Krosan

The video is no longer available.


33 posted on 07/16/2015 8:17:42 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Krosan

Yes but where did their data and information come from and how many people handled it? There are spies and infiltrators everywhere from so many different places with so many agendas.

I have no allegiance with Russia and renounced all ties with that God forsaken government the first moment I could. My family is Ukrainian and living in these war zones now.

It is obvious we are not seeing the entire picture there.

And it is obvious our own government is at least partially hijacked.


34 posted on 07/16/2015 8:22:16 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Krosan

Same ole Soviet Union. Shooting down unarmed civilian airlines. Remember the jet over the Pacific. Was it flight 007 or something like that. Korean or Japanese. Cannot remember at such an early hour.


35 posted on 07/17/2015 12:30:06 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (It is about THE CROSS. It has always been and always will be about the CROSS!!!)
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To: BBell

Still works for me. Maybe the server got overwhelmed for a while?


36 posted on 07/17/2015 12:44:38 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Mount Athos
How do I know what they thought it was? Try reading the last paragraph of the excerpt posted.

Perhaps, while your naming commercial airliner shoot downs, you'll recall KAL 007. That aside, one of the first claims rebels put out there was a Ukrainian SU-25 actually shot MH17 down. Completely impossible, since the Frogfoot lacks the speed and altitude to overtake a 777. Additionally, that type aircraft had also been previously engaged and shot down is the days prior.

37 posted on 07/17/2015 2:06:15 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Krosan

In the video, the Ukrainian rebels at the site refer to paratroopers jumping from the plane. I’ve not heard this in any accounts in the news media.


38 posted on 07/17/2015 2:09:00 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov

Probably just mistaking falling cargo pieces or debris for parachutes. 777 is a big plane and there is bound to be slow falling things.


39 posted on 07/17/2015 2:19:02 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

Advice for Igor Strelkov
plastered on Novorossiya HQ in Donetsk

40 posted on 07/17/2015 2:22:14 AM PDT by cynwoody
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