Posted on 07/14/2015 5:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
“Qualifications of church leaders and what should be done when Catholics priests are “bad men.”
a conscientious Catholic is OBLIGED to work towards the correction of any leader who behaves in an errant manner, or who instructs other to behave likewise...for instance, priests known to be distributing communion to facilitators of abortion should be targeted and writings made to his bishop to stop his misbehavior...should a catholic have knowledge that a priest is diddling little boys, that Catholic should refrain from attending his Mass celebrations, and if this cannot be avoided,under no circumstances should he receive a sacrament, as accepting the priest’s validity to dispense the sacraments violates his DUTY to work towards correcting or removing the offender...
If, after attempting to get the errant priest’s superiors to dispose of the offending behavior comes to nothing, or if they themselves are found out to be complicit, there remains the obligation to kick the can higher up, until a resolution is found through church channels...failing that, there is no option but to seek worship elsewhere...
As in most cases, you can’t fight City Hall, and worship then comes down to individual action...but, IMO at least, a conscientious Catholic must not allow known, unabated sinfulness from the Church infrastucture to prevail...if it means leaving the Faith, so be it...
So its ok for you to take a piece of bread from a minister who has not washed his hands after raping a little boy? Because that piece of bread is not the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?
I pray my priest is holy and just. Of course, you want to believe that all priests are evil because you believe that the Church itself is evil. In that, we will always disagree.
I wouldn’t step foot in a “church” belonging to a denomination that allowed a molester to continue as a pastor even if it was not in the local church.
You mean you wouldn’t report it to the pastor’s superiors, in an attempt to get it stopped...? You’d be okay with the behavior continuing, and prefer to look the other other way, as long as you remain ‘pure’...?
Yes, of course I can say the same. I avoid all Catholic Churches in which they preach heresy - usually liberal type of heresy. But that’s because I live in a free world where I can take myself to any number of churches and find one of my choice. But if I’m dying and my eternal life is at stake, I will take the Host from a priest who may be less than he should. All you people think about are molesters. What’s up with that? Creepy to my way of thinking.
But if Im dying and my eternal life is at stake, I will take the Host from a priest who may be less than he should
depends on what ‘less than he should be’means...if he in engaging in criminal behavior, and you know of it, then the resolution of your soul comes into conflict with your obligation to contest sin...but, in the end, it is of course your choice to make...
All you people think about are molesters.
no...all they think about are Catholic molesters...
Here's an example of God's thoughts of the idea.
Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
I take that as good advice.
This is not what I was taught. This is not what Augustine says. It is NOT about the consecrator it is about the sacrament.
To think that any right-thinking person would take the Communion from anyone (and let’s face it, people in flip-flops are now handing out the body and blood of Christ) who they know is evil is ridiculous. I’m talking about extreme circumstances. I was taught to envision every eventuality.
But you still go to a Catholic Church? A church that has harboured paedophiles by simply moving them to different churches? Actions speak louder than words miss marmelstein.
Liberation Theology is strong in this one.
That is the definition of hypocrisy.
The plate containing the elements is passed out and the people take their own elements.
I find it interesting that Catholics continually downplay the seriousness of that kind of sexual sin when their preists commit it.
Why is that?
The problem is the church knowing about the sn its priests were committing and still letting them function as such, which point you have continued to avoid addressing.
Well, thanks for your response.
Is this official guidance? Is this process documented someplace? Is it local or regional? Is this a process that comes from tradition? Is it just speculation on your part? In other words, is it what you would hope to see happen?
I am curious because it is so different from what Paul prescribes in Mt 18.
Does it matter to you how the process you describe aligns with scriptural guidance for church discipline?
I am not being sarcastic at all.
I agree with you about John Paul II. But I was here when JPII was alive and I saw how plenty of posters dragged him through the mud for being "liberal" or whatever they imagined. Keep that in mind when you read posters trashing Francis. For example this article begins by trashing Pope Francis, and then covers some ground trashing JPII: What on Earth is Pope Francis Doing?.
I judge Pope Frances by his comments, beliefs and actions. He is a Marxist and he has to go now.
....”Maybe the organized church is not the future of the church - as in the body of Christ”....
The anti-Christ has plans for the organized church.....what we’re seeing is it be primed for that time.
It is thought the true church, the body of Christ, will eventually have to go underground...... catholics should be considering leaving the catholic church if they are Christians. Many won’t because it’s teachings keep them in bondage.
....”Roman Catholics cannot stick their head in the sand and hope Pope Francis gets ok”...
But they will...it’s already been posted on FR that they endured bad popes before so they can do likewise with Francis...not remotely understanding where Francis and the next Pope is leading them.
....”until things get back to the way it should be”....
That’s not going to happen from here on in. Even Pope Paul was working with the Globalist Agenda...Francis is simply carrying on.....and so will all Popes hereafter.
So for all the praying you’d think by this time the Catholic churches claims it is the True Church would have shown improvement on these issues.....they’ve only gotten worse. From sexual crimes to banking extortion and money laundering and the lot....like the Mafia...they simply change God Fathers.
Looks more like it's entered the Roman Catholic Church and flourishing for decades. Even the leadership attests to that from years ago to present...
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