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To: jeffersondem
There are a couple. The first begins, “When in the course of human events . . .”

I asked "What 'God given' right is that?" And I wanted you to more fully describe the "God given right to secede". In order for a right to be included in the "among these" of the DOI, that right has to exist and you haven't shown that it does. Unless of course you are including it within "the pursuit of happiness". How does the right to secede work? If a state secedes, and some of the counties within the states disagree with that, can those counties secede and form their own sovereign state or stay in the Union? What if those counties aren't contiguous? If cities or townships within a county oppose the primary or secondary secession, can they too secede? Picture the patchwork.

Another reads: 'The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.'

In order to be "retained by the people" the right must exist to begin with. Again, "What God given right" is that? (Although if the people do have that right, I guess counties can secede from states, cities and townships from counties, and neighborhoods from whatever.)

See also Amendment X.

What power are you writing about? If it's the power stemming from the "God given right to secede", I ask you again to more fully describe that right, and to show that it is a right given by God.

64 posted on 07/14/2015 1:44:23 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the and breadth of "ignorance. individual be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle
“And I wanted you to more fully describe the “God given right to secede”.

Let me try to explain it this way: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them . . .

And . . . That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

66 posted on 07/14/2015 2:07:55 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: KrisKrinkle

It’s no use Kris - these people think that that our Constitution was no more than a magazine subscription that they could abandon any time they feeeeeeeeel like doing so.


67 posted on 07/14/2015 2:14:31 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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