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To: rusty schucklefurd
Well, you know, I am rather well versed in all subjects related to Orthodox Judaism having been raised in a Hasidic Orthodox home, gone to Orthodox yeshivas, am descendants of some very influential rabbis who were pioneers in kaballah. So when i say i am agnostic it sounds somewhat misleading as if I'm agnostic because I wasn't subjected to spiritual or divine subject matters. I'm agnostic for the very reasons my father force fed me the dogmatic beliefs he tried to instill in me and i have some very compelling arguments why there is no God but again the mysterious of life I've been much too intensely indoctrinated I'm also rather fluent in Yiddish but all of this are subjects that I rarely share but have done so out of wanting to be fair as you yourself have revealed some personal matters about yourself

So while I have very strong feelings against the existence of God not just feelings but very much knowledge of the Old Testament and Talmud that provides access, validation for my lack of belief,ambiguity about God, there is definitely strange forces in the physical and spiritual Universes that keeps me from being an absolute denier, as you brought up originally. As far as ever going so far a ever being a zealot or even a believer, in the manner in which the Orthodox demand, that's never going to happen.. I hardly give God any credence,99.9% attributable to the quality of life I've been forced to endure and can not accept any God instilling into me the life he did without getting to a certain degree enraged. so, a lot of my sense of non-believing arises out of the circumstances I've struggled to overcome.

43 posted on 07/08/2015 12:10:21 AM PDT by lbryce (OBAMA:Misbegotten, GodForsaken, bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa)
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To: lbryce; metmom; CynicalBear; boatbums

...”I’m agnostic for the very reasons my father force fed me the dogmatic beliefs he tried to instill in me and i have some very compelling arguments why there is no God.....a lot of my sense of non-believing arises out of the circumstances I’ve struggled to overcome.”.....

How interesting to read your background in Judaism. Though I’m not familiar with the term. Hasidic Orthodox. ...is it related then to kaballah teachings which I assume you’ve also been instructed in????

Am not trying to pry in your otherwise conversation but I found your background quite interesting.


44 posted on 07/08/2015 12:25:35 AM PDT by caww
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