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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Man has a natural right of liberty, to name one cited in the Declaration, but we imprison large numbers of people.

In punishment of a crime.

Man has a natural right of life, but we execute people.

In punishment of a crime.

People have a natural right to the "pursuit of happiness," but if driving at 150 mph is what makes you happy, you're going to have a hard time of it.

That is a crime.

The fact is the "natural rights"--a slippery term that tends to mean whatever one wants it to mean--are trumped by laws all the time.

I might agree if you could provide some examples.

For as long as every man holdeth this right, of doing anything he liketh; so long are all men in the condition of war.

Look up the "paradox of tolerance."

301 posted on 07/09/2015 11:39:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
In punishment of a crime.

So there's a loophole in natural law that allows its violation? Ultimately, crime is a societal construct, and imprisonment for crime a violation of someone's natural right of liberty agreed upon by society in exchange for the benefits and protections of that society. In the State of Nature, nothing is a crime. It's the "Bellum omnium contra omens."

I might agree if you could provide some examples.

Why don't you start by naming exactly what our natural rights are.

307 posted on 07/09/2015 12:09:28 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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