Don’t try to reason with these pro union uber alles Free republic Lincoln worshipping fascists.
They are not all unreasonable, they are just starting from different initial perspectives. I too used to think Lincoln was a Hero, and that the war was fought to end slavery, but ironically it was my best friend (who is black and a History Major) that woke me up to a different way of looking at things.
He firmly believes Lincoln deliberately triggered the civil war because he was so good at reading people he knew exactly how to outmaneuver them.
The attack on Ft. Sumter served Lincoln's interests far more than it ever served the Interests of the Confederacy or South Carolina.