Posted on 07/07/2015 3:17:08 AM PDT by dennisw
No, given to them by the State of South Carolina in 1836: "Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory"
Oh, pity the poor slave owner.
I say "destructive of these ends" is entirely in the eyes of the beholder.
I personally think the Supreme Court's rulings on Roe, on Kelo, on Wickard, Obamacare and on Gay Marriage are all destructive of these ends, and in my opinion ought to be grounds for separation.
Obviously you feel these are all acceptable aspects of our governance, and you will want to insure that I am forced to comply with them.
Right? :)
No, i'm constantly responding to it by pointing out that it is a red herring. If others didn't bring it up, I assure you I wouldn't either. It only makes my argument (freedom of self determination) more difficult.
For some reason people get side tracked on the "Look! Squirrel!" aspect of slavery in discussions regarding the civil war.
Sure, if dying is an option. Most of us don't see it that way though.
But I applaud your efforts to find some moral equivalence to slavery.
Sorry dude, the Liberal activists got there a long time before I ever did. They've been condemning third world sweat shop conditions since the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire. (that would be a "long time" for those of you in Rio Linda.)
I assume you support a higher minimum wage here, too, right since you’re so concerned about the plight of low-wage workers.
People concerned about Jobs here do not support minimum wages. Well, at least not sensible people.
Maybe you just see everything as hyperbole, and so therefore cannot actually tell the difference anymore?
It would certainly appear so from the histrionics I see in your writing.
If only the southern leadership hadn't repeatedly cited slavery as the reason for their actions.
I am not going to contradict it because I have no better idea. Now is that $750.00 in 1860 dollars, or $750.00 in 2015 dollars?
If it was 3 billion total valuation, that would put it at about 4 million slaves, which I think isn't far off.
More like, "I'm not going to take this risk unless you sweeten the pot.", but then you do have an overinflated sense of drama.
Not interested in traveling down into your metaphysical cul-de-sac.
"Big enough" is the threshold, and they met it.
It wasn't their land. But seriously, why did the South decide that war was the only choice available to them? Surely it was must have been something really, really serious?
If given by the consent of the people, can be taken by the consent of the people.
In retrospect, it would appear that the smarter move would have been to leave them alone and let them keep it until they got bored with it, much as Cuba has been doing with Guantanamo since the Revolution.
Yes, all bad people need to be robbed and killed if they dissent. Right? Even though what they did wasn't illegal till we changed the rules mid stream just to screw them over.
Kinda like the investors in GM when the government stole it.
Pretty good parallel, actually.
No, i'm not. ere is an example of what I meant in my previous reply to this message.
Some people will just not stop bringing it up, as if the Northern Unions actions were being directed by the Southern Secessionists.
Gee, why don’t you want to discuss why a certain inalienable right attains only to certain bodies of “the People” and not to others? It couldn’t be because you don’t have a good answer, could it?
Two words: West Virginia.
Congratulations! Your post has been selected as an example of an @$$hat who won’t quit bringing it up. Contact rockrr about your prize!
Gosh, for someone so concerned about property rights, you sure are willing to let government take them away easily.
In retrospect, it would appear that the smarter move would have been to leave them alone and let them keep it until they got bored with it, much as Cuba has been doing with Guantanamo since the Revolution.
Ya think?
Here’s a cut and paste from MeasuringWorth.com.
None of these prices has much meaning to us today, but they would if we revalue them in today’s dollars to the amount of money slave owners spent 150 years ago. The techniques developed in MeasuringWorth have created ten “measures” to use to compare a monetary value in one period to one in another, as explained in the essay “Measures of Worth.”. Of those ten, three are useful for discussing the value of a slave. They are: labor or income value, economic status and real price. Using these measures, the value in 2011 of $400 in 1850 (the average price of a slave that year) ranges from $12,000 to $176,000.
Like when South Carolina wanted to steal the land that belonged to the United States government?
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