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To: spirited irish
they really do know that what they were ordered to do is wrong, but they did it anyway

Is this an anti-cop rant? Is the prosecutor required to show, explain and justify to SWAT team members, every search warrant that is issued? And every Swat team member knows that the warrants are bogus because they have all been to law school and understand that they are just there to scare the hell out of women and children?

You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn't care.

16 posted on 07/06/2015 5:01:06 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: submarinerswife

Every cop knows denying anyone access to an attorney is wrong, dead wrong. So is telling them to keep their mouths shut.

So yes, they knew what they were doing was wrong. They belong in prison, too.

Every single one of them.

L


17 posted on 07/06/2015 5:03:15 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: submarinerswife

Are you trying to justify using SWAT for, at worst, white collar crime?


19 posted on 07/06/2015 5:07:29 AM PDT by papertyger (If the government doesn't obey the Constitution, what is treason?)
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To: submarinerswife
You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn't care.

No, you are attempting to defend the indefensible.

20 posted on 07/06/2015 5:13:32 AM PDT by papertyger (If the government doesn't obey the Constitution, what is treason?)
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To: submarinerswife

“You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn’t care.”

Swat officers knew they were being used,, and they didn’t care.
When a raid is to be executed at 4am, the first question is why it had a night certification. This is normally reserved for unusually dangerous suspects.
They next question on a professional swat team is why is a swat raid called for? Every search warrant does not need swat. They would ask why swat is being used. Is the suspect known to be dangerous? Is the house fortified or hardened? Does the suspect have a record of violence?

If the questions were answered that in lieu of two men in suits at 8am knocking on the door, a 4am raid was being ordered against non violent people, and that the crime was that maybe they had sent emails on state time or some such, then the officers were unprofessional thugs. They violated their oath of office,,,,, period.

And I bet if the families were sworn to secrecy, the Nazi officers were also likewise threatened, or were told that the goal of the warrant was secret, and that their only task is to secure the house.

And yes dear, the officers executing a warrant had damn well better know the justification of every single warrant they execute a raid for. If one of those swat officers had have shot that boy, he would have been investigated for homicide as an individual, and the first question is why were you there, what did you know about this raid, etc. Saying he kicked in the door because he was told but really doesn’t know anything about it wont fly.


23 posted on 07/06/2015 6:11:59 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: submarinerswife

Hear hear! The police were only told one side of the story. Control someone’s information, you control their world view. Control their world view, you control their actions.

They were only pawns, mere tools.

Even then, they presented a warrant and didn’t shoot anyone.


29 posted on 07/06/2015 7:11:00 AM PDT by null and void (She who uses rope to contain reporters during her candidacy will use rope to hang them when in power)
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To: submarinerswife; All

So you are saying police blindly following orders like a little child, and do not have the ability to think as an adult???

Quit making excuses for Tyrannical behavior!

Before the officers went to the house, police are told what to find. So when the police heard it was “political” papers.... That alone should have been a BIG RED FLAG.

If the officers are just TOO STUPID to understand the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, then they have no business being a Police Officer.

Perhaps flipping burgers is a better route?


41 posted on 07/06/2015 7:26:40 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: submarinerswife
You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn't care.

You are stretching it for attempting to rationalize BRUTALITY.

These Nazi Swat units know full well what they are doing. Do you think they can not tell what effect they have on US CITIZENS?

Machine gun armed stormtroopers for the most mundane of warrants? Really? The good lil nazis were just following orders and didn't know?

Who send death squads to raid a guitar factory over fingerboards? Rationalize away, be a good lil nazi sympathizer.

43 posted on 07/06/2015 7:35:16 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: submarinerswife

Yes, it IS...to a point.

1st question to be asked: It took a SWAT unit to do WHAT exactly?

Why was Special Weapons And Tactics required to serve a warrant? Were those being served needing such over-reach?

Was the families known to have weapons? Deal drugs? Have attack ‘pets’?

What’s the justification of having SWAT in this instance, if NOT for the ‘fear factor’....Yet, I doubt anyone in the black masks were complaining about playing soldier boy


54 posted on 07/06/2015 8:21:32 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: submarinerswife
You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn't care.

They refused the "accused" the ability to call a lawyer or or his parents (according to the story the child was 16). Whether or not they knew the specifics behind the warrant itself, this speak volumes. (And no - if you check my posting history I am not in the knee-jerk "cops always wrong" camp).

55 posted on 07/06/2015 8:23:25 AM PDT by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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