[betty boop]

...who is ‘we’? You mean “we the people” that elected Obama, Clinton and the RINOs? “we the people” elected Presidents that chose all these Supreme Court justices. “we the people” elected a Republican congress that allowed Obama to do whatever he wanted.

NO. I don't mean any such reduced and corrupted idea of "we the people." You are talking about a "mob," not about citizens.

I was most definitely referring to the "We the People" of the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America, which they duly ratified, through their respective State conventions.

In short, I was referring to "We the People of the United States, [who] in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Methinks people on that track of understanding would never have voted for Obama in the first place.

[plain talk]

Well the voters are electing liberals and RINOS. That is what is actually happening on the ground despite what you and I wish to happen.

[xzins]

I, too, am coming to the opinion that a convention of the states is worth a shot. We’re being ruled by an oligarch, anyway, as Scalia so ably points out. The one safety valve in the convention of the states is 75% ratification.

13 states can block anything, good or bad. Surely there are 13 states who would oppose giving away the farm???

FWIW, I agree with you about the 17th amendment.