Posted on 07/01/2015 3:56:31 PM PDT by betty boop
Yep. Well said. Somehow we need to persuade and influence “we the people” to vote for responsible governance. This will allow responsible conservatives to get elected instead of pandering RINOs and liberals. Without power and influence in the states and federal government conservatives don’t have much except a dream. And maybe that is enough for some people around here.
One can learn from the left’s tactics and strategies. They took over the educational systems and the MSM and slowly indoctrinated millions. We have to tackle root causes to persuade voters to our way of thinking. This will take a long time. The left is patient and understands this. So must we.
....”Like a homosexual drag queen who puts on makeup, a dress and high heels pretending to be a woman, what we have today is tyranny in the drag of a republic. All of our institutions in DC have been corrupted into forms that work to purposes that are opposite of their constitutional designs. Congress hardly legislates at all, while the executive and judiciary wallow in arbitrary unconstitutional lawmaking”...........................”It is silly to fear the outcome of an amendments convention when... REAL TYRANNY IS HERE.”
Saying it like it is! Bravo!
....”Like a homosexual drag queen who puts on makeup, a dress and high heels pretending to be a woman, what we have today is tyranny in the drag of a republic. All of our institutions in DC have been corrupted into forms that work to purposes that are opposite of their constitutional designs. Congress hardly legislates at all, while the executive and judiciary wallow in arbitrary unconstitutional lawmaking”...........................”It is silly to fear the outcome of an amendments convention when... REAL TYRANNY IS HERE.”
Saying it like it is! Bravo!
Plato referred to tiny city-states. John Adams expounded on the necessity of republican virtue, yet also knew very well the problems associated with total reliance on virtue across an expansive territory to secure freedom. It didn't work. It was that very problem, the reliance on virtue alone that lead to rewrites of state constitutions in the mid-1780s and the combined federal/democratic constitution to replace the Articles of Confederation in 1787.
I haven't studied Adams' Defense of the Constitutions of the United States but IIRC he so much as determined that mixed government in the form of the British Constitution was the theoretical best structure. It is why the book fell fairly flat in 1787.
America didn't have the three formal, hierarchical estates of British society. Every man is born equal to another in a republic. So the problem was how to give voice to the people yet prevent them from slitting each other's throats. The answer was to be found in a complex plan of government that famously divided power between the states and the government they created.
Back in the 1780s those stupid, breeches clad, slave owning white dudes recognized the shortcomings of an only six year old confederacy and sought to correct them. Contrast that to America 2015 that is too smart to correct the horrible mistake of the 17th Amendment. We'll bring back booze, but not a federal government.
Because Obergefell redefined a word that has had consistent meaning for over 4 millennia. Explanation:
Gay activists claim that they are denied equal protection under the law to "marry." They piously invoke the Fourteenth Amendment to gain such "equal protection."
But it seems crystal-clear to me that gays have never been denied the "right" to marry (not that marriage is a federal concern in the first place; but leave that aside for now). They just choose not to do so, because they don't like the definition of marriage — universally understood as the lifetime, exclusive union of one man and one woman for the purpose of propagating and rearing offspring.
What Obergefell did was to redefine what the word "marriage" means. Now, it's just all about erotic love, period.
But any word has a meaning that cannot be gratuitously changed at the drop of a hat, just to placate disgruntled people. Certainly SCOTUS has no power to change the meaning of words. But that, to me, is the prime effect of Obergefell.
You start attacking words, language itself, then pretty soon, you get a Tower of Babel situation, in which people are no longer able to communicate with one another, or understand one another.
So yeah, this decision really did "push me over the edge." WORDS are not subject to judicial review.
CA only passed prop. 8 by 52% in 2008. Before that, they voted in prop. 22 by 61% in 2000. CA voters lost 9% in 8 years on the issue of ‘gay marriage.’ The states that only passed their marriage amendments in the 50-60% ranges in the middle of the last decade probably couldn’t pass them again now. If that trend remains consistent, in 15-20 years even the state that passed their amendments in the 70-80% ranges couldn’t pass them again.
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I wouldn’t say that Obergefell pushed me over the edge toward an Article V convention. That really was just a realization that our only play left is a hail mary pass. (Maybe we need Doug Flutie in office.)
Article V can likely be controlled through the 3/4th requirement for any amendment to be adopted. If the convention comes out with anything unacceptable, then finding 13 states to oppose it is not an insurmountable task.
And if it is so infested with the fascists that even that is impossible, then we’re already that infested with fascists, so it really isn’t an issue.
When families discover bedbugs in their car, they really should admit that their house is already infested.
I still have not mastered this distinction, Publius. I suspect I am not alone in this.
So I will now go and study the links that you and xzins have so kindly provided.
Thank you so very much for writing!
You are correct. It’s the third series of events.
I hope that we don't have to vote from the roof tops.
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A Convention of the States, also referred to as an Amendments Convention, an Article V Convention or (for the purpose of striking fear into people's hearts) a Constitutional Convention, is part of the Proposal function.
State ratifying conventions are part of the Ratification function.
Congress itself is in control of the Disposal function.
You are correct that the three fourths requirement for ratification is the "safety valve" of this series of events.
"It is silly to fear the outcome of an amendments convention when REAL TYRANNY IS HERE."
For those who think the Article V process is too risky, I ask, "What other options do you see?"
To summarize from a previous post by GraceG:
1. Elect More Republicans - Failed due to RINO/Uni-party confluence.
2. Article V Convention of States to propose Amendments - Needed to try to take power from the federal government back to the states and reel in the federal leviathan.
3. State Nullification - Last ditch effort to try to take power back from the federal monster, though by this point it may be too late.
4. State Secession - Could either end up peaceably like the breakup of the Czechoslovakia in 1993 or a brutal:
5. Civil War II like the first one.... The longer we wait on #2, the more likely #3, then #4 and finally #5. .
So, do we do nothing and just wait for # 5?
Quick review: We need 34 states to pass an application, then Congress shall, by law, call a Convention of States as soon as it receives applications from 2/3 of the State Legislatures. That's 34 states. (So far both legislative chambers of 4 States, {Alabama, Alaska, Florida and Georgia}, have completely passed their resolutions and 36 state legislative chambers or bodies have filed or passed resolutions.) Amendments are proposed and voted on at the convention. Each Amendment must be ratified by ¾ of the states in order to become part of the US Constitution. That’s 38 states.
“There are far more political and legal constraints on a runaway convention than on a runaway Congress.” - Robert Natelson
Most FReepers are aware of these links, but I post anyway for review and for people new to Article V. It is our responsibility to make Article V the most understood aspect of the US Constitution.
****Please see this summary video from Alabama first: Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A great introduction!
Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States
Convention of States Live! with Mike Farris
The Case for an Article V Convention. Great explanation of an Article V convention to the Massachusetts State Legislature.
**** Convention of States Lots of information here.
Call a Convention A call for a Convention of States
Missouri state senator delivers amazing testimony (video) Reasoned speech on why we need an Article V Convention.
Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.
Convention of States model Resolution
A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie
Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments
Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments
Mark Levin: “The Liberty Amendments” - Complete Sean Hannity Special + other Links
List of Mark Levin You Tube Videos
Citizens for Self-Governance: Convention of States Project Youtube hub – Lots of educational videos here
Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub
Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin
*** Mark Levin’s ALEC Speech, Dec 4, 2014
Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.
Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments” Sean Hannity Special
We can fight the uniparty! States, the Natural Second Party by Jacquerie
Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution
The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process
Friends of Article V Convention Links
The Indiana Statute that will Govern their Delegates
Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention:
Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part I)
Congress’ Present Duty to Call a convention. (Part II)
Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part III)
Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part IV)
Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part V)
Congress’ Failure to Call an Amendments Convention. (Part VI)
Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th! Shorter Abstract here: Ulysses at the Mast, one page Abstract
****For those of you that still have doubts about the Article V process, please review: Responses To Convention Of States Opposition My initial concerns were resolved after reading these articles. My attitude now is Go For It!
Sarah Palin: Debunking the myths of a Convention of States
A Single-Subject Convention Addresses the “runaway convention” fear.
John Birch Society Denies Its History and Betrays Its Mission The original Birchers were for an Article V Convention.
Update: Convention of States by the numbers The current State count
Convention of States Gaining Momentum
Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.
**** State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!
Most State Legislatures are in session now. Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.
Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points.
Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke.
Let’s all work together to get this going!
THAT is precisely the goal of the Left. There is no greater enemy of republics than diversity.
One of the first objections by Anti-Federalists involved the impossibility of an extensive republic. The Roman republic began its fall into despotism when its territory extended beyond the republican capabilities of its institutions. Too many different peoples contributed too many conflicting voices. In the 1780s all large countries were despotic. Russia, China, the Turkish empire were horrid tyrannies. The only existing republics back then were small city states.
So the question was, how could the freedom that was bought with so many lives in our Revolutionary War be secured across not only the Atlantic seaboard but hundreds of miles inland, and perhaps across the continent?
The answer was to give voice to the various factions that were expected to emerge as Americans spread west. By creating a republic composed of smaller republics the people could express their will in communities far smaller and more responsive than faraway Washington DC.
What Scotus delivered last week to our former republic was despotism. Like Russian Czars, Turkish Sultans who issued decrees backed with bayonets, the American republic has been transformed into a top-down empire in which the once sovereign states exist to carry out their master's commands.
The Left creates nothing. It can only destroy.
I believe it wouldn’t be a revolt rather a restoration of constitutional law. You are correct about the dim’s. The left is and always has been killers. I have seen numerous scientists statements saying 550 million people are “sustainable”. The book of Revelation population die off brings the world to about 1/8 of the current population. It will be an awful mess if/when it starts. Slaughter on an unimaginable scale. Let’s hope we head this evil off but I don’t believe we will be able to. Have a great Independence Day Hosepipe.
Knowing this short attention span, I ask all Article V opponents to at least read Art's link to the single page abstract of Ulysses at the Mast, Democracy, Federalism, and the Siren Song of the 17th Amendment.
What must be done . . . must be done.
Article V before we can't.
I have never read an explanation from the “rebellion first” crowd what is to be left after their work is done.
I have never read an explanation from the “rebellion first” crowd what is to be left after their work is done.
A vestige, semblance, version of FREEDOM..
Some sheep prefer the sheep pen others prefer open fields of grace..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMsa1eRsfuw
I hope that we don’t have to vote from the roof tops.
It’s not him who votes but him who counts the votes- Joe Stalin..
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