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Russia to review 1991 decision to recognise independence of Baltic states
Ukraine Today ^ | JUN. 30, 2015

Posted on 07/01/2015 7:45:57 AM PDT by annalex

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Putin is likely to hold on to Crimea and give up the rebel controlled territories. These are an economic disaster, they don't produce anything and now are filled with angry people with guns. No one should want them, and it would serve a greater purpose for Putin is they remain a cancerous tumor inside Ukraine.

I think much of what is going on is saber-rattling: Putin wants to elevate the temperature to get off with Crimea in exchange for re-admission into the Western economic and political structures. But that can change if a more war-like faction inside the Kremlin prevails. See my 36

61 posted on 07/03/2015 12:34:12 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Wallace T.
Obama has no choice due to Article 5 of the NATO treaty. If Russia attacks any of the Baltic states, all of whom are member states, all members must come to their aid.

Ah, but those treaties were written by white crackas.


62 posted on 07/03/2015 12:41:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'll vote for Jeb when Terri Schiavo endorses him.)
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To: annalex

Ukraine is currently an economic disaster and I feel terrible for its long suffering people who have had to put up with corrupt leaders. But in my view the underlying geopolitics and economics here is what is driving things, Ukraine has the third largest shale gas reserves in Europe, some off the coast of Crimea, but one in the rebel area of the Donetsk and Kharkiv oblasts. Take a look:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/16/ukraine-gas-shale-idUSL5E8GGAJY20120516

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/russia-is-crushing-ukraines-hopes-for-energy-independence/360281/

Just like in Syria this is all about pipelines and energy reserves, trying to keep Europe from becoming dependent on Russian gas.


63 posted on 07/03/2015 1:09:03 PM PDT by jimwatx
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Kharkiv is not rebel area.

Yes, Putin’s central objective is to prevent post-Maidan Ukraine from prospering. But good news is that the great anti-soviet revolution has taken hold in Ukraine and there is no chance in hell they would go back to the soviet ways of doing things. Precisely because the Russian aggression taught them to think of themselves as a separate nation that has to rely on itself.


64 posted on 07/03/2015 1:47:23 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: COBOL2Java
Muslim, Asian Turkey is a NATO country, Not quite white cracka country.

If Obama let the Baltic states or Poland be overrun, he may be the subject of a real life "Seven Days in May" event. I think Putin may have some leverage over him, possibly sexual in nature, as the Mafia had on J. Edgar Hoover, but for the American military to stand down if the Russian strongman tries to repeat what Stalin did in 1940 could lead to Obama sharing the fate of Salvador Allende in Chile.

65 posted on 07/03/2015 3:53:44 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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