Posted on 06/29/2015 5:30:35 AM PDT by Nextrush
Any efforts to reverse or alleviate the pain caused by SCOTUS decisions (Gay Marriage, Obamacare etc.) at any level of government will either be shot down in the legislative process by corporate elite pressure, vetoed by executive branches under corporate elite pressure or if signed into law by executive branches, the judicial branch will step in to kill any laws.
The political system of electing representatives of the people to make decisions has been circumvented and short circuited. It needs repair.
The old way many of us are used to isn't working and won't work.
Cheerleading for the GOP and putting down the "Libs" and "Demonrats" like we're sitting in a sports bar cheering on our favorite team and dissing the other team isn't reality.
Its like Mister Rogers and his "Land of Make Believe". This fantasy world works for children, but not for adults.
Dr. Martin Luther King had to face a political system that didn't work for his concerns about racial segregation.
It took him years to perfect, but in 1963 MLK delivered a blow to the Democrat Party political machine, taking JFK by his nose and kicking his a** at Birmingham.
Young people put the nonviolent civil disobedience over the top.
After the six and seven year olds marching into the police lines took Bull Connor's forces off guard, other protestors were able to use the shock to get around police lines and into downtown. The next day the teenagers came out and Bull was so enraged by the events the day before he brought out the dogs and water cannon, creating scenes that changed history.
JFK and the Democrat Party had to change their tune in the face of these events. Kennedy had to stop his emotional symbolic speechmaking and pretend concern (just like Republicans have for 'family values' or 'traditional marriage') for civil rights-racial equality and actually support some real and meaningful legislation.
The Kennedy Administration-Democratic Party was afraid of MLK upsetting the apple cart of Kennedy's winning coalition of blacks, white liberals and southern segregationists. This is just like the GOP operates suckering grassroots conservatives and religious voters while taking the corporate support totally hostile to the conservative and religious voters concerns.
The Kennedy's (JFK-RFK) got the FBI spying on MLK leading to audio tapes of King's sexual trysts. A copy of one tape was sent to Dr. King and listened to by his wife after Lyndon Johnson replaced JFK as President-Democrat leader. Its interesting to note that in mid 1964 MLK suspended protest activity for the general election season.
Getting back to the reality of here and now, there is no difference between how conservatives and religious people, libertarians and so on are treated by today's Republicans and how civil rights-racial equality supporters were treated by the Democrats years ago.
Its worse than that because our political system is run by corporate elites giving us things like Amnesty, Obamacare, Trade Deals, Common Core and even Gay Marriage with no First Amendment protection allowed for religious objectors.
The elites fund two political parties with D's faking a Leftward position and R's faking a Rightward position with emotional symbolic proposals and speeches.
RESISTANCE OF A NONVIOLENT MLK STYLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. IT COULD WORK ALTHOUGH THE HISTORY OF THE 1960'S IS THAT NONVIOLENT PROTEST ENDED UP DESCENDING INTO VIOLENCE IN SPITE OF DR. KING'S EXAMPLE. HIS EXAMPLE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE IMPROVED UPON AND INSTILLED MORE IN OUR HEARTS PERHAPS THIS TIME AROUND. THAT'S A TALL ORDER BUT I PUT IT OUT THERE.
I have the drunk, angry religious hypocrite attack other people background. I agree with Glenn Beck who has sobered up from his alcoholism and called on his audience to get their lives together.
I don't know if Beck plans to lead civil disobedience but he points people to MLK and Gandhi so we shall see.
Agree. That was a superb statement of reality.
The moribund Tea Party was able to amass a huge gathering in DC back in 2009. We need to do something like that again to re-ignite the movement, but this time it needs to be done without any Republican “support”. It should be a true grass roots event. A gathering of a million people would make a big statement. For starters.
I still have a GOP registration and support Cruz, but most times in general elections I write in other than Rep.
The GOP is a lost cause.
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Agree. By now that should be obvious to most. How many times do we have to get stabbed in the back before we recognize this reality? The GOP wants our money and our votes, but not our principles.
Too weak. Too apathetic.
American Christians and Conservatives (and all Americans in general) are the most passive and apathetic people I've ever even heard of.
It is time for a convention of the states to plug the holes the lawyers derived (that are not really there) in the Constitution.
Don’t fear the Marxists will further their agenda with this.
Currently the state legislatures are overwhelmingly conservative. Also the 3/4ths ratification process will silence the Marxist minority. Laws passed by the federal congress and rouge states must adhere to the contents of the Constitution FIRST.
interesting thought.
We’ll see what happens when Ted Cruz gets a public stage during the debates.
Otherwise, I’ve noticed that a lot of conservatives are just sitting on their haunches waiting for Obama to depart (497 days!), and they need to make an action network for organization. Democrats have rent-a-crowds. We need to go there and challenge their political rallies. We also need to openly protest the government instead of just simmering on the sidelines. It’s our country, too.
True. I truly admire the devotion to commitment to marriage demonstrated by the "greatest generation". I've seen it firsthand many times in my own family. That's just not there to as great an extent in subsequent generations. So which came first: the decline in commitment to marriage or Uncle Sam stepping in and taking up the slack which wasn't being provided by the marriage partners?
>>I like that, pots and pans, reminds me of the Walls of Jericho. Wonder if that would work again, 7 times around the capital/supreme court then bang the pots and pans.
We need to go there with our Bibles and quote Matthew 19 and Mark 10. You want to call us bigots for opposing gay marriage? CALL CHRIST A BIGOT THEN! He’s the one that gives us the LAW.
1. Conservatives are too practical. If a particular conservative is safe in his/her job and needs that job to support a family then he/she will be unwilling to risk that job by engaging in controversial behavior such as civil disobedience in support of conservative causes. One-by-one conservatives will speak up and get fired or marginalized, but we will never get together in the numbers necessary to make a difference.
2. Conservatives are not asking to be able to do things they can't currently do such as get better jobs, sit in the front of the bus, eat at lunch counters, etc. We are asking NOT to be forced to do things (that most others think are no-brainers that we should willingly do) and to be able to say things which others find hurtful. So even if we did mass in the thousands or millions, we'd be asking for things that most of the rest of the country would be wondering: Huh? What are they protesting? What are they asking for?
If someone with lots of charisma could get all orthodox religious folks (and I don't mean just Orthodox Christians) to pick a week, or better yet a month, to not go to work and not buy anything and let the chips fall where they may, then we might get somewhere.
>>I still support a sober sane third party but this is another idea I throw out there with trepidation but no shame.<<
I still believe the core of the republican party is conservative. We should seek to make the republican part...the third party.
All of the incidents you mention did involve an amount of violence at some level. People got killed, on both sides.
Today, I believe the government would have no problem whatsoever with shooting all those that would show such “hostility” to them. The media would gladly side with the government against such and claim the protestors were dangerous and an out of control mob that was bent on taking the nation down. I actually believe the time for this dissent was when Roe vs Wade was passed. If there was ever a moment to march on Washington and not leave until that was reversed, it was then. Christians in America simply weren’t willing to pay the price to do so (giving up jobs and all that goes with such a commitment). We have paid the price ever since. I also agree that moral and spiritual renewal should be the goal. You can’t lose on that one. This world and its desires are passing away, remember? He that does the will of the Lord will abide forever. There’s a better world wait’in for the meek Rubin James. I don’t know, but I’m guessing most conservatives want America “saved” so we can return to our comfortable life styles and attempt to find our life in this world - not so we can lead our nation and the world in righteousness for the glory of God. I listened to Ted Cruz’s speech yesterday. I like him very much and he is my candidate of choice but he left out repentance in his talk regarding what it would take to restore America and how he would fix it. That was disappointing. I get it, he’s making a political speech to a mixed audience where not everyone shares Christian beliefs and values. But it’s still the truth and it still needs to be said and those who do not believe still need to hear it. The gospel will always be offensive to those in rebellion against their Creator but we are commanded to speak the truth in love, anyway. I wonder if most of us are just willing to let them all go to hell. The church stopped being the church. We’re not the salt and light we’re supposed to be. We have a divided heart that wants the American dream and Jesus, too. That’s a big reason we are in the mess we are in today. We’re compromised. Perhaps difficult times and persecution will ween us away from our love of this world and remind us that “He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died.” I know human history may be turning that corner that will lead to the horrible time described in prophetic scriptures. That may be part of what we are seeing - but it still doesn’t excuse “comfortable Christian America” that’s been largely unwilling to count the cost. The hymn, Am I A Soldier of the Cross? comes to mind. “Must I be carried to the sky on flowery beds of ease while others fought to win the prize and sailed through bloody seas?” It’s past time to make the hard decisions. We need to repent, man up and count the cost of discipleship whether America tanks or not. We must become more concerned with the honor and glory of God rather than our own convenience and perhaps our own physical life.
Our civil disobedience will not sway the Alinskyites in power. That doesn't mean we should not engage in it, only that we should have no illusions that it will sway the powerful. It is possible that it will sway some of the population, just as Christian martyrdom swayed some of the Romans in the 200s or some of the Japanese in the 1600s. But Jesus does not call us to be successful; He calls us to be faithful, and the rest is up to Him.
Democrats are “faking” leftwards?
Air strike.
Who would report them?
Swamp your local Post office with sign ups for PASSPORTS!
It is Sodom and Gomorrah time.
That would at least start lots of conversations. True Americans are absolutely unhappy.
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