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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

It may take some days before I can locate those links, but I will. I wonder if you’re parsing words. Whatever. I wasn’t trying to send you off on a wild goose chase.

You think that feminism is a good thing? lol Actually, I think that only landowners & business owners should be allowed to vote (& our military, of course).

I think that, at that time, there were people who were just looking to undermine the social order. Just like now. If you look at the facts regarding what happened when Black people were freed &/or went north, it’s clear that the abolitionists weren’t their “benefactors” at all. To the contrary. Slaves had their needs provided for. Afterwards, they were really exploited- totally on their own & unprepared. They didn’t fare well, for the most part.
Not all, or even most, slave owners were rotten b*st*rds.

That said, I don’t “support” slavery, but it had been in practice for hundreds- even more than a thousand years. It wasn’t confined to Blacks. My father’s American ancestors were indentured Irish.
With mechanization, it was coming to an end anyway.

Slavery continues to this day- in Africa & elsewhere. Where is the outrage for that, I wonder? And why is it only such an issue for America, when it was widespread?


100 posted on 06/24/2015 11:26:44 AM PDT by KGeorge (First the Confederate Battle Flag, then the Cross. It's not far off.)
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To: KGeorge
Actually, I think that only landowners & business owners should be allowed to vote (& our military, of course).

How exactly would that work? Would there be a minimum amount of land required to vote? What about a mortgage? Would you have to own the land free and clear? And what about the business ownership requirement? Would there be a minimum size for the business? Would it have to be turning a profit? And why do you think that the military should have a major influence in civil government while anyone who lives in an apartment should be disenfranchised?

I think that, at that time, there were people who were just looking to undermine the social order. Just like now. If you look at the facts regarding what happened when Black people were freed &/or went north, it’s clear that the abolitionists weren’t their “benefactors” at all.

And yet slaves continued to attempt to escape to the north, and I've never heard of one deciding that things were better in the south where they had "their needs provided for" and voluntarily returning to slavery. Instead I read numerous accounts of runaway slaves being aided by anti-slavery northerners to evade the slave catchers attempting to hunt them down. Why is that?

That said, I don’t “support” slavery, but it had been in practice for hundreds- even more than a thousand years. It wasn’t confined to Blacks. My father’s American ancestors were indentured Irish.

Maybe you don't see the difference between a system where an indentured servant served a limited time, protected by law, and was granted land and money at the end of that time, and a system that kept one in servitude for life, along with one's children, grandchildren and so on.

With mechanization, it was coming to an end anyway.

Cotton farming wasn't mechanized until the 1940s. Is that when slavery would have ended?

Slavery continues to this day- in Africa & elsewhere. Where is the outrage for that, I wonder? And why is it only such an issue for America, when it was widespread?

Plenty of people are outraged about slavery around the world and are working to end it. But maybe they're only trying to "undermine the social order" as you put it. As for why it's an issue in America, I'm guessing it's because it's our country, built on the principles laid out in the Declaration and the Constitution, but maybe I'm wrong there. Maybe there's no reason at all to try to hold the US to a higher standard than an African backwater.

103 posted on 06/24/2015 11:57:50 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: KGeorge
Slavery continues to this day- in Africa & elsewhere. Where is the outrage for that, I wonder? And why is it only such an issue for America, when it was widespread?

And this is a very good point. If all the moralizers think it was worth killing 600,000 men over slavery, then why do they not make a concerted effort to wipe it out elsewhere?

Why it's almost as if they were more concerned about who was running things than whether or not slavery existed, especially when you notice they had no problem tolerating five slave states which remained in the Union.

109 posted on 06/24/2015 1:50:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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