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To: RKBA Democrat

Actually, I am intrigued. Tell me more about implementing Conservatism. This, sir, is a good Conversation to have!


630 posted on 06/23/2015 6:00:39 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: TNMOUTH; wagglebee

Fair enough. I’m more than happy to answer. I apologize in advance for any lack of eloquence.

I’m frustrated as hell like everyone else. I’m tired of winning most battles, but losing all the wars. I really do think that we need to look at the ends versus means. Ultimately, what I care about is whether me and mine live a free life to worship God, go to good schools , have economic opportunity, low taxes, etc. basically conservative economic and life values. On the social conservative end I want infanticide to end. Where we make the mistake in my view is following the means so closely...elections, lawmaking, judicial decisions etc., but forget about the end objective. Why not look at a different set of means that gets us more directly to the objective?

I’ll use infanticide to flesh the concept out a bit. An esteemed freeper by the name of wagglebee has powerfully made the point that prolife organizations are in a sort of informal relationship with antilife organizations. Both depend on each other for their existence. So ProLife Inc., as he calls it, is only willing to go so far in getting rid of infanticide. To paraphrase James Michener: they came to do good, but ended up doing very well. Wagglebee is far more eloquent than i in explaining it, but that’s the basics. Where i go from there is saying...what do we want to do and what nonpolitical (and hopefully more effective) means do we have for achieving it? One answer is using ultrasound machines more. Rescue groups use these to save lives. And its effective. Lets get creative. During the middle ages there was a religious order that used to ransom hostages held by the muslims and in some cases volunteer themselves in exchange. Have we considered cold, hard cash as a way of preventing infanticide? I’m amazed what people will do for what to me is paltry amounts of cash. I don’t know if it’ll work, but can it be any less effective than 40 years trying to curry favor with politicians?

Let’s also think about exploiting loopholes. We all hate obamacare. We elected politicians in 2014 to get rid of obamacare. we can see how that worked out. But let’s also recognize that the obamacare economics simply don’t work. Did you know that there is a loophole in the act that allows those who are members of health sharing ministries to not sign up for obamacare and not pay the penalty? So why are we wasting our time with politics when our adversaries essentially gave us a way to avoid the exchanges, avoid the penalties, and be left alone? The ministries are all Christian, by the way.

I have seen literally hundreds of these types of ideas. And I’m really not giving them justice in this short post. Direct ways to implemrent conservative values. And yet we’re in a never ending political do loop. The upshot of it is we should stop looking at politics as a primary means to the objective and start looking at it as a generally poor tool. Conservatism is best when directly practiced. I hope that gives you at least a flavor of what I propose.

Wagglebee-courtesy ping as I mentioned you.


641 posted on 06/23/2015 6:54:44 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools.)
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