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1 posted on 06/18/2015 4:02:50 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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The silver lining is that Cruz has lost my support and has gone from top to the bottom of the list of rino running Presidential candidates. Scratch his name.


44 posted on 06/18/2015 4:40:00 PM PDT by kindred (Save yourselves from this evil and untoward generation. Jesus is Lord and Saviour .)
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The Republicrats want that voting threshold at 51. Easier to betray the American people.


47 posted on 06/18/2015 4:47:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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The US middle class was completely sold out to big business and the United Nation decades ago. This is nothing new. The decline and fall of America marches on, right on schedule. Your great-grandchildren will have no clue what freedom is.


48 posted on 06/18/2015 4:49:58 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Lord God help us.)
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you are wrong....it doesn’t....and the vote was correct.


63 posted on 06/18/2015 5:20:14 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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Were I to approve something I hadn't read or had any direct involvement with, I would lose my professional license on grounds of professional malpractice.

This is nothing less than malfeasance! Why would one give up the ability to review and amend agreements before they are finalized? And especially allowing only a bare majority for approval, rather than the customary 2/3's? And especially to a tin-horn American-hating tyrant like this one? And we the People can't see the documents (much less than for the 5 days that Cryin' John B promised?

Our reps have joined the Occupier in shredding the Constitution and surrendering our sovereignty.

I'm done with the Repubs, and my rep. in particular. She's nothing but a token female for the House so-called leadership. No integrity, no sense of her obligation and duty to the Constitution. She's forgotten and forsaken the people that put her in office.

Not one thin dime, not red cent!

67 posted on 06/18/2015 5:48:01 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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Free Traitors. These Republicans have sold out to lobbyists and are free traitors.


94 posted on 06/18/2015 10:29:14 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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I guess that settles it - if Cruz is the last man standing, then the only “principled” thing to do is to refuse to vote for him and let Obama II continue the destruction of Freedom of the People. And we call those on the Left stupid.


100 posted on 06/19/2015 3:26:07 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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Traitors list.


112 posted on 06/19/2015 5:42:01 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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This thread is pretty much what I've been saying about this whole deal for some timje. What would have made more sense for the house to have done was to simply not hold a vote at all, as the house has no place in the treaty ratification process. That's Constitutionally delegated to the senate.

From previous posts on this subjects:

You pretty much need "fast track" in order to get any negotiated treaty passed, because you can't have a finished treaty be amended by congress, since that would require that version to be resubmitted back to the treaty partners for approval.

That said, it doesn't remove the Constitutional necessity of having a 2/3 majority to approve them.

Calling them "trade agreements" to get around the 2/3 requirements rather than simply having up/down votes on them as treaties is dishonest. Of course anyone who looks for honesty from our government is a fool who will ultimately be disappointed. Our feral government will do what it wants, when it wants to get what will most quickly enrich the oligarchy.

I think Cruz would have done better to have fought this from the perspective of this undermining of Constitutional authority. That would put him clearly on the side of supporting a 'fast track' provision for treaty negotiations, while at the same time opposing this particular legislation because it undermines the Constitution and the Senate's advice and consent powers/requirements.

In this particular case,what I'm saying is that these "agreements" easily pass the 'duck' test, being as how they walk, quack, and even fly like a duck. The senate should enforce the constitution by admitting the things are ducks, and handling them appropriately.

Simply calling it a "trade agreement" does not make it anything other than a treaty given the ramifications of the document.

 

119 posted on 06/19/2015 6:52:02 AM PDT by zeugma (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3294350/posts)
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This Obama trade deal is a trojan horse.It’s disguised as “free trade” What It really allows is for Obama to flood the USA with an unlimited number of 3rd world immigrants ...
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/20710-obama-gop-trade-scheme-includes-unrestricted-immigration

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/04/dick_morris_fast_track_could_lead_to_unlimited_immigration.html

This Fast track gives Obama power to make treaties that override U.S. laws. It’s the destruction of the republic.It gives obama unlimited dictatorial power to destroy the U.S. Proof here :

http://getliberty.org/oppose-trade-authority-for-obama-on-pacific-trade-deal/
http://www.conservativehq.com/node/20233


126 posted on 06/20/2015 4:48:16 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama illegally got his FCC gestapo to impose SOROS' regulations on Internet)
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