190 Republicans who voted to ignore 2/3 vote requirement for trade treaty (TPP)

6-18-15 | johnwk

[InterceptPoint]

Trump is a Democrat in sheep’s clothing. Don’t fall for his con.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Blah blah blah.

Who are you supporting in the election?

(just wondering)

[InterceptPoint]

LOL. Cruz of course. A real Republican. A Constitutional scholar.

[dennisw]

Donald Trump is solid!! Don’t bet against THE DONALD!! If he punks out I will deal with this. But so far he is more solid than any of the guys you like. Like free traitor/H1B boy Ted Cruz? Don’t make me laugh!! No thanks!

My money is on The Donald!

[dennisw]

Israelis have the most effective border fence. It is a see through fence that is heavily patrolled. Has tons of razor wire all around.

In urban areas the Israelis put up a concrete wall. But 90%+ of the border fence is the see through heavy heavy high cyclone fence with lots of sensors and instant response to would be intruders

[JOHN W K]

Well, both of them want to keep the socialist "income tax" in addition to ignoring the two thirds required vote for any deals cooked up by Obama.

JWK

[InterceptPoint]

My money is on The Donald!
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OK. I didn’t want to have to do this but I’m going to expose you to the dreaded (and now updated) STRANGE BEDFELLOWS LIST. Note that I’ve added Trump to your team and confirmed that Hillary is also on your side.

Here it is. Consider your bedfellows who, like you, oppose TPA:

Al Jazeera US
The Trade Unions
The Environmentalists
The Far Far Left
Bernie Sanders
Nancy Pelosi
Martin O’Malley
Hillary Clinton
Donald Trump

On my side:

Ronald Reagan
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Scott Walker
Milton Freidman
A majority of Americans
An even bigger majority of Republicans

You might really ask yourself this question:
“Is what’s good for Al Jazeera good for AmerIca?”

[InterceptPoint]

Ted Cruz wants to do away with the IRS.

As for TPA, Cruz wants this authority for himself in 2017. It is a 6 year deal. In 2017 it would filibustered by the Dems and probably couldn’t pass. So the Cruz plan is to pass TPA and then reject Obamas TPP unless it is pristine by Cruz standards, an unlikely event IMHO.

I’m betting we will get a NO vote out of Cruz on ObamaTrade.

Yes, this is a slightly risky strategy but that’s the Cruz Plan.

[dennisw]

I could care less that a bunch of Democrats, lefties and eco-wackos are against this bllsht TPA trade deal. I have you marked down as a loony libertarian free traitor. The Republicans voting for TPA have sold out to foreign lobbyists and domestic lobbyists.
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Foreign Governments Pay Former Senate Leaders to Sell TPA
Japan’s aggressive lobbying efforts in Washington are part of an overall increase in foreign nations seeking to purchase influence in Washington.
http://observer.com/2015/06/many-foreign-governments-pay-k-street-big-money-to-peddle-tpp-to-congress/
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FWIW I have been in the Pat Buchanan camp on immigration and trade for at least 25 years

[dennisw]

Donald Trump is a giant. Ted Cruz is a punk who has shown his true stripes in the last few weeks. Such as being for boosting H1-B visas to 370,000 per year. This puts Americans out of jobs plus H1-B is a backdoor way of immigration abused mostly by Indians.

[InterceptPoint]

I have you marked down as a loony libertarian free traitor.
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You better check your premise here. The Loony Libertarians are dead set against TPA. The are on Your Side. Rand Paul voted No on TPA.

You are, by most definitions an isolationist. So are the Loonty Libertarians like Rand Paul. And the Leftists. And Al Jazerra and ...

[WKUHilltopper]

Traitors list.

[InterceptPoint]

Donald Trump is a joke and a bad one. He is a natural Dem. I have no idea what he is doing chasing the Republican nomination.

[WKUHilltopper]

Yep. I like the double speak that treaties are not treaties. Maybe next time they can call a treaty a Chevy and then it won’t be a treaty.

[JOHN W K]

What we do know is, any deals cooked up by the president with foreign powers must receive a two thirds approval vote to become enforceable law. The founder's intentions are crystal clear on this particular issue.

Every Republican, including Cruz and Rubio, who voted for this crap spat upon our Constitution and the documented intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted.

JWK

The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASS'N v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)

[dennisw]

I am somewhat of an isolationist. More so than all the trade crazy people in DC. If being against open borders and immigration invasions makes me an isolationist then great!

Tell me one trade deal that has not increased the US trade deficit. Name one!!

[dennisw]

Best case scenario either Scott Walker or Donald Trump beats Hillary or any other Democrat nominee and becomes President

[InterceptPoint]

I suggest you read a little Milton Friedman or watch him on YouTube. I’m just not prepared to deal with every possible objection to Free Trade. The proof is in the pudding. I like the pudding. You don’t.

[zeugma]

This thread is pretty much what I've been saying about this whole deal for some timje. What would have made more sense for the house to have done was to simply not hold a vote at all, as the house has no place in the treaty ratification process. That's Constitutionally delegated to the senate.

From previous posts on this subjects:

You pretty much need "fast track" in order to get any negotiated treaty passed, because you can't have a finished treaty be amended by congress, since that would require that version to be resubmitted back to the treaty partners for approval.

That said, it doesn't remove the Constitutional necessity of having a 2/3 majority to approve them.

Calling them "trade agreements" to get around the 2/3 requirements rather than simply having up/down votes on them as treaties is dishonest. Of course anyone who looks for honesty from our government is a fool who will ultimately be disappointed. Our feral government will do what it wants, when it wants to get what will most quickly enrich the oligarchy.

I think Cruz would have done better to have fought this from the perspective of this undermining of Constitutional authority. That would put him clearly on the side of supporting a 'fast track' provision for treaty negotiations, while at the same time opposing this particular legislation because it undermines the Constitution and the Senate's advice and consent powers/requirements.

In this particular case,what I'm saying is that these "agreements" easily pass the 'duck' test, being as how they walk, quack, and even fly like a duck. The senate should enforce the constitution by admitting the things are ducks, and handling them appropriately.

Simply calling it a "trade agreement" does not make it anything other than a treaty given the ramifications of the document.

 

[dennisw]

I am against all dumbass trade deals....same as Donald Trump. Our trade deals are negotiated by self-enriching lobbyists. Check out our trade representatives. They go in and out of private sector lobbying/lawyering...from there in and out of the Federal Government.

This freaky looking dude is a fine example of a traitorous trade negotiator. He flits in and out between the private and public sectors. I have seen him doing his business for 20 years>>>>

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