Posted on 06/18/2015 1:22:58 PM PDT by detective
About 3,300 will DIE today from CHOICE.
Some of those 'mothers' are Catholic.
At LEAST you didn't call me a HOMOphobe or RACIST!!
I could not defend myself against THOSE charges!
Some of those ‘mothers’ are Catholic.”
I volunteer to help with culture of life programs. I have been thanked many times by prolife leaders in my area for my help. I have received an award for my prolife activities.
You do not need to lecture me on protecting innocent unborn children.
The stuff you’ve copied-and-pasted was written when clericalism was at a high-water mark.
Which is defended as being part of true Catholicism, and such was written by popes, requiring submission even to social teaching. And does not warrant your cafeteria consent, dismissing an almost 44,000 word encyclical which is provided as teaching how RC faith and moral teaching applies to current realities, as perceived by your claimed vicar of Christ.
More on that, and some source corrections are here .
Moreover, by your logic one can dismiss contrary modern teaching based upon it coming out of a period when clericalism is at a low-water mark. Which hardly has any moral capital.
No Catholic is bound by the outbursts of every hyper-emotional Italian.
A misrepresentative attempt to dismiss assent to papal encyclicals and other public teaching.
) In apparitions APPROVED BY THE CHURCH, our Blessed Mother speaks emphatically about BAD BISHOPS, BAD CARDINALS, and even a BAD POPE. It would be nonsensical for Mary to warn us about bad hierarchs if we were FORBIDDEN TO DISCERN which hierarchs ARE bad and which ones ARE faithful.
Which private revelations no one is required to give Catholic assent to, unlike papal and other magisterial teaching. Meanwhile, it may be nonsensical for Rome to sanction teaching which is contrary to other sanctioned teaching, but there is nothing new here. RCs are to submit to how the current leadership manifests they understand this, rather than having divisions based upon their understanding of what was taught in the past.
At this point, I invite you to take up your beef with Mary,
The The MARY of CATHOLICISM is simply not the humble holy Mary of Scripture, nor is Rome the NT church .
Catholics are required slavishly, blindly, and mindlessly to follow every utterance and every whim of every bishop and Pope! How dare you not conform to my Jack Chick version of what sort of "obedience" and "submission" are required by the Catholic Church?
You tried that mere assertion of hyperbole before, which is a poor substitute for the lack of an argument against the actual material that substantively refutes your assertion that the encyclical of the pope had nothing to do with the Catholic faith, and that no assent is required to such.
What is the source of your obsession—as boring as it is—with the claim that Catholics are required to assent to the false assertions in the encyclical?
You are either strategically forgetful or are simply admitting you do not read what refutes you. And what you yourself said as justification for your dissent, which was more than it containing false assertions. Start here .
Your premise is basically that since your judgment is contrary to the popes and his advisers and many others, describing it has "Bergoglio's stupid, erroneous, gaseous opinions about the Global Warming Hoax and the nostrums of the pro-abortion, genocidal, totalitarian Left," then you are free to publicly dissent. What are the sources for your obsession that you can engage in such public dissent?
The real point is that what binding teaching is and what it means can itself subject to interpretation.
The only reason a non-Catholic could have for being obsessed with “proving” that Catholics are “required” to be slavish, mindless, brainless automatons is anti-Catholic bigotry.
Resorting to which anti-Catholic bigotry ad hominem is simply another poor substitute for an argument. You have only confirmed that despite claims to the contrary, RC teaching is quite interpretive and Catholicism exists in sects, formal or informal.
Another FR RC just told me that V2 does not require assent, public or private, while others affirm part of it does, and others affirm all, calling pick and choose RCs "Protestant." But all such claim to be True Catholics. And all are treated as members by modern Rome, being unified in error.
Canon 752: “While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ's faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.”
Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”
As Protestants typically do with Scripture, you have found a PHRASE in Canon Law that you think makes your point, and ignored the SENTENCE, the CHAPTER, and the BOOK.
Catholics owe the Pope and bishops “religious submission” of intellect WHEN THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE CATHOLIC FAITH. Re-read the two canons you cut-and-pasted, and notice that according to both of them, the Pope and bishops have the authority to teach THE FAITH.
The temperature of the Earth is NOT part of the content of the Catholic Faith. The Pope abused his authority when he asserted in an official document that the Earth is warming. He abused his authority in two ways: 1) by making ANY statement on that subject; 2) by making a FALSE statement on that subject.
Every Catholic is perfectly at liberty to declare in public that the Pope and those bishops supporting him are all abusing their office. They are exploiting the prominence that their office gives to promote their personal political notions, and those notions are false and totalitarian.
WHO needs to read it again?
Canon 752: “While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ's faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.”
"Pope Francis says most climate change is due to human activity and calls it one of the most important moral issues facing society, according to the 191-page draft in Italian posted online Monday by L'Espresso magazine,"
The most insidious thing about mental illness is that those who have it do not recognize it.
Moral truths are part of the Faith.
Merely declaring that one is teaching a moral truth doesn’t make it true.
Since the Earth is not warming, any claim that the warming of the Earth imposes moral obligations is bogus.
I am responding only for the benefit of third parties who are possibly not mentally ill and intellectually dishonest.
Oh I don't think pope Francis is mentally ill. I think he is just leading the Catholic Church into it's final role as the whore of Babylon where it has always been headed.
You don't get to make that decision Arthur. The magisterium makes it for you and you are to submit "will and intellect". Catholics tell us all the time that it's the magisterium alone who gets to interpret. Don't change it now. You're stuck with it Arthur. It is written in the CCC. Don't start being your own pope on us now.
The opinions of one Pope, on subjects unrelated to the Catholic Faith, are not “the Magisterium.”
Googling and cutting-and-pasting, with completely hostile intent, do not constitute a theological education. But that’s all you have.
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