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Flickering Greatness
NY Times ^ | 6-13-15 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 06/13/2015 12:28:01 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

ON Saturday mornings, I love to watch reruns of the TV Western “The Rifleman.” Each show is a little moral fable, with Chuck Connors’s widowed rancher and crack shot, Lucas McCain, teaching his son, Mark, about actions and consequences.

If you neglect to do this now, you will pay a penalty later. If a corner is cut here, you will regret it there.

The president might want to catch some shows, as the lame duck’s chickens come home to roost.

At this pivotal moment for his legacy at home and abroad, his future reputation is mortgaged to past neglect.

Like Prufrock, Obama must wonder if the moment of his greatness is flickering.

The president descended from the mountain for half an hour on Thursday evening, materializing at Nationals Park to schmooze with Democrats and Republicans at the annual congressional baseball game.

It was the first time he had deigned to drop by, and the murmur went up, “Jeez. Now? Really?”

Obama has always resented the idea that it mattered for him to charm and knead and whip and hug and horse-trade his way to legislative victories, to lubricate the levers of government with personal loyalty. But, once more, he learned the hard way, it matters.

His last-minute lobbying trips for his trade package to the ballpark — with a cooler of home-brewed beer from the White House — and to Capitol Hill Friday morning to lecture Democrats about values reaped a raspberry from House Democrats.

The Democrats — even most of the Congressional Black Caucus, which Obama courted agressively and which has been protective of him — showed their allegience to themselves, their principles and their labor allies, and not to their aloof president.

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To: miss marmelstein

What would happen if Lucas was working in the yard, and Mark and his friends were playing around, and while Lucas was doing something one of the boys grabbed his rifle, and shot and killed one of the three boys, accidently?

Topical?

This is how TV, and the Rifleman series wrote “Gun Shy” in 1962.

“Gun Shy”, meaning the psychological effect on Mark and the other surviving boy, from the accidental shooting.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/713148


121 posted on 06/13/2015 11:01:55 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: A Navy Vet

F Troop was fabulous. It has a cult following (mostly due to Larry Storch - who is alive and well on Facebook). A show written by Jews with Jewish and Italian Indians. My favorite episode is a spoof of the fantasy sequence from Fiddler on the Roof - when an Indian golem appears at Parmenter’s wedding. So cool and such an in-joke that I’m sure most viewers didn’t get it. The other two shows have not really stood the test of time.

Sorry I went down a notch. I’ll just have to live with that!


122 posted on 06/13/2015 11:20:15 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: ansel12
"A truly fine movie, and you described it well."

Thank you. As said above, it is probably my favorite Western even over Tombstone now. However, both Tombstone and Costner's Wyatt Earp have actual facts built into the movies...of course with dramatic license.

If you ever want to read the (2) definitive books about the Earp/Clanton saga (I've read many):
Inventing Wyatt Earp by Allen Barra;
Wyatt Earp: The Life Behind the Legend by Casey Tefertiller.

Both have many citations of court documents, paper publications of the two opposing political papers, witness accounts, town folk biases, rancher biases, some diary entries, et al.

Bottom line: The Earps were the good guys (even if gamblers and saloon keepers). The Cowboys (new term for cattle wranglers and rustlers) were the bad guys that were pissed when the Earps came to town and Virgil decided to put a badge on to reduce the lawlessness. He was a LEO in Prescott, AZ before arriving, which most don't know.

While Open Range is a more modern movie, the gunfight at Lot #42 and out onto Fremont Street actually happened much like in the movie Tombstone. Then you have the Vendetta Ride that wasn't addressed in the old movies. I could go on because I really admire the Earps for their fortitude against such odds. Read the books...you'll see.

123 posted on 06/13/2015 11:27:20 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: miss marmelstein; A Navy Vet

F troop got 2 seasons during the hippie 60s.

It must have been fun, because a lot of people seem to remember it fondly.


124 posted on 06/13/2015 11:27:28 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: cherry

But it still was knocked for its violence - I don’t care about that, I’m just relating that Peckinpah was let go because something like 125 people were killed in the first season. I simply find that amusing. I don’t take the show all that seriously although, like a lot of shows of that time, it was well-written.

I think the half hour format also helped the genre.


125 posted on 06/13/2015 11:28:13 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: miss marmelstein
"Sorry I went down a notch. I’ll just have to live with that!"

Har! No worries. We like what we like. I like Casino over Good Fellows. So who am I too point fingers? Plus, I enjoyed Bewitched and I Dream of Genie. How more mindless can you get? Fun talking with you.

Someone should start a ping list for old series and/or old movies for us "seasoned" types...haha.

126 posted on 06/13/2015 11:40:00 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Kirkwood

Here’s where your idea is wrong: it doesn’t matter that Steve McQueen was moody or lazy (doesn’t ring true to me - I can’t imagine how a lazy person becomes a superstar but whatever) or that Chuck Conners was a nice guy. It is what is up on the screen. And the fact remains that the King of Cool still can fill a repertory movie house and Chuck Conners cannot. It comes down to talent, star quality and the luck of a good script. McQueen had all three in spades.

It also doesn’t always matter how large a body of work - after all McQueen died very young. If a large body of works always mattered, Louise Brooks would be a forgotten actress instead of a beloved international star. Although a great actress and great beauty, with a very long filmography, Clara Bow is a forgotten film star. Why? Because her vehicles did not stand the test of time.


127 posted on 06/13/2015 11:43:51 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: A Navy Vet

Oh, my young nephew of 19 knows all these shows thanks to cable and, of course, ME TV. So while I watched these as a little kid (and I don’t for a minute think that dowdy Dowd did) there are new generations being exposed to these fun shows.


128 posted on 06/13/2015 11:47:54 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: A Navy Vet

I would watch Hogan’s Heroes after school while eating my snack. My old man would come in and change his shoes, sit for awhile and talk during commercials. EVERY time he would leave after some scene and say “Oh those crazy guys!” (He was a WWII vet - never did reveal how goofy the show was!)

I’ve been watching lousy formatted shows of “The Time Tunnel” on youtube lately before I hit the sack.

That would be a show that fits obama. Bouncing around from one crisis to the next, with no resolution in sight.


129 posted on 06/13/2015 11:48:50 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: ansel12
"F troop got 2 seasons during the hippie 60s. It must have been fun, because a lot of people seem to remember it fondly."

Okay, as so do a lot of people watching the Monkees TV show. Inane, banal, stupid, childish, pap. Other than Bonanza and a few others, the 60's TV shows were ridiculous. But then, I just admitted above to liking I Dream of Genie, so guess I'm banal, also. Thank goodness for drugs back then...haha.

130 posted on 06/13/2015 11:51:06 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: miss marmelstein

Here is where your idea is wrong, 1958, and two western TV series.

All of your posts reveal a woman who, for whatever reasons, lacks the ability to analyze and evaluate individual performances and different levels of talent, at different times in a person’s career.

Your input so far has been useless, you haven’t brought any insights, or heartfelt, or well-thought out analysis to this thread.


131 posted on 06/13/2015 11:54:38 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

So don’t read my posts and don’t investigate my biography if you’re so unimpressed with my ideas about film. Simple, isn’t it?


132 posted on 06/13/2015 11:56:52 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: miss marmelstein
" Clara Bow is a forgotten film star."

Really? I've known about her all my life. She was one of the original film divas.

133 posted on 06/14/2015 12:00:08 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: miss marmelstein

No one has investigated your home page, which you lied on and made up.

Those facts bled out from you on this thread.

Your opinions on the TV shows that you watch, are so shallow, that they speak for you.


134 posted on 06/14/2015 12:07:50 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Why do you continue to give her crap? We’re just talking about old favorite movies and TV series and those we enjoyed and impacted our younger days. Lighten up, Francis :) What movie was that from? No Googling.


135 posted on 06/14/2015 12:08:51 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

You may know who see is, everyone on this thread may know who she is, but she is a forgotten star to the people who program movie retrospectives because her body of work has not stood the test of time. It can’t because her vehicles (well, of course, there’s the William Wellman film, that’s a classic - I can’t remember its name right now) are too dated and too silly to capture modern audiences. But, my God, what an actress! I’ve sat through the dreck of “It” many times to watch her at work.


136 posted on 06/14/2015 12:10:17 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: A Navy Vet; miss marmelstein

No we aren’t, read the thread, we thought we were, but not her.

That woman took a different route.

She is also an incredible liar and phony, read her homepage, and then read this thread.


137 posted on 06/14/2015 12:12:35 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: miss marmelstein
You're right. I can't remember a single movie she made, I just know of the name and her early standing in the old Studio system.

Think I'll Google her and see if I'm thinking of the same person.

138 posted on 06/14/2015 12:15:28 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: ansel12

Have you been drinking?


139 posted on 06/14/2015 12:16:09 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: ansel12
"She is also an incredible liar and phony, read her homepage, and then read this thread."

Just read her home page. Didn't see any outrageous claims - just that she likes John Wayne. I give up...you two go at it. I'm going to go watch Lone Survivor.

140 posted on 06/14/2015 12:20:07 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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