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House Rejects Trade Bill, Rebuffing Obama’s Dramatic Appeal
New York Times ^ | June 12, 2015 | Jonathan Weissman

Posted on 06/12/2015 10:52:45 AM PDT by nwrep

House Democrats rebuffed a dramatic personal appeal from President Obama on Friday, torpedoing his ambitious push to expand his trade negotiating power — and, quite likely, his chance to secure a legacy-defining trade accord spanning the Pacific Ocean.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamatrade; tisa; tpa; tpp; wikileaks
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

No, Mark Levine is a great guy and he’s usually spot on. But just like with Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin...they are following the misinformation on this.

You would think, after all the fights Ted Cruz has fought against this administration, against the GOP establishment, that he would not be stupid enough to risk his candidacy for President, over this one issue. You know he has to know his constituents are calling him, saying the very things you are, going against his decision to back TPA.

Look I don’t trust Obama and neither does Ted. But I do trust Cruz knows what he’s doing. I trust he’s educated and intelligent enough to know what the right thing is, let alone that the man is a Godly man, so I’m sure he’s not about playing a political game, that so many want to accuse him of.


261 posted on 06/12/2015 4:35:09 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Justice will not be served until those who r unaffected r as outraged as those who r. B Franklin)
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To: CCGuy

LOL...he has alienated ALL of us? Hmmm, you must have comprehension issues...there are still plenty of us who understand what he did and support him.

You have an agenda. You don’t like Cruz. Funny, have any of the others alienated you too? Were those brilliant moves by other candidates as well? Or, is your focus solely on criticizing Cruz. I have my guess...


262 posted on 06/12/2015 4:43:03 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: Lucky9teen

Not only did Ted Cruz risk his candidacy with this betrayal. He has completely lost it.


263 posted on 06/12/2015 4:43:55 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I have called Collins office almost daily. They wouldn’t tell me how he was going to vote. I told them that anybody that voted for this did not deserve to keep their seat. I went further though and said I would not vote for a republican again, and certainly never vote for a Democrat, should this thing pass. I would just write “UGA” in. I see no difference in either party!


264 posted on 06/12/2015 4:44:24 PM PDT by GODAWGS47
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To: CCGuy

So, Cruz is lying to you? He has a better record than Sessions, who supported CAFTA btw, but you think Cruz is less honest?

Maybe, both are reading the same thing but understanding it differently...like all of us on here.

I am sorry you feel so “betrayed” by Cruz. Must be tough to figure out who to support now...or do already know. Hmmm...


265 posted on 06/12/2015 4:45:05 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: Marcella
Before the “secret” bill can be voted on, it has to be public for 60 days. That is explained by Cruz in this speech... Cruz has explained his positions in all important areas including, in detail, the TPA trade bill and the secret TPP bill. Regarding the TPP secret bill, he says it should not have been secret but it will be public for 60 days before they vote on it. That info. is at the approximate 55/56 minute point in his speech in New Hampshire on June 1, 2015..

I heard Cruz say that, and I also heard Judge Sessions explain his account of what is in the the secret bill. We must remember that these are brief sight readings with no notes or copies, and no detailed review by staffers. When good Conservatives disagree, I prefer to err on the side of caution. Besides, you and I both know that no fast tracked trade bill has ever been defeated.

Experience has shown that secret bills are stinkbombs, and that Republicans aid and abet passage of bad bills by allowing them to advance when they could have killed them in the cradle. Advancing bad bills is a GOP ruse to set up "show votes" where simple majorities of Dems and RINOs can cobble 218 votes together. We are learning that the GOP lets these bad bills advance because they like them.

Further, if Congress grants Fast Track for TPP, it will forfeit its Constitutional power to filibuster or even amend the bill. That alone is an unacceptable surrender of yet more Constitutional authority to the Executive.

Be an informed voter and listen to what Cruz actually says instead of believing whatever someone else says about his position on important issues.

Don't make the assumption that anyone who disagrees with you or anyone else has failed to "listen" and is not "an informed voter." I have heard the first-hand accounts from several Senate and House conservatives who read the secret text. Since their conclusions differ, I prefer a more exhaustive examination of what the drafters do not want us to see.

266 posted on 06/12/2015 4:45:32 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: CCGuy

LOL...says who? You?

Anyone else guilty of betrayal or just Cruz?


267 posted on 06/12/2015 4:45:46 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: WIBamian

Hi WIB :-) Back at ya!


268 posted on 06/12/2015 4:46:11 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: TNMOUTH

Sure. Still don’t address any facts and insult instead.

You also have reading comprehension problems because I said the majority and not ALL.

I have stated the obvious to you over and over as have many people hear.

You are free to vote and support a person that would betray you and take you one step closer to enslavement if you want.


269 posted on 06/12/2015 4:46:35 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: TNMOUTH
Commander-in-Chief Allen West.

I like how that sounds.

Do you?

270 posted on 06/12/2015 4:46:47 PM PDT by WIBamian (I will not be abused by liars.)
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To: TNMOUTH

Yeah just me.

And millions of other folks.

Oh yeah. And the majority that voted against Cruz’s betrayal today.

So yeah, just me.


271 posted on 06/12/2015 4:48:06 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: CCGuy

PA failed so Cruz alienated all of us for no reason.

LOL...now who can’t read? LMAO. So, who are you trolling for?

Who else BETRAYED you with this vote? Do you have the courage to answer?


272 posted on 06/12/2015 4:48:15 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: TNMOUTH

hehe! pals-for-life-are we! :)


273 posted on 06/12/2015 4:48:37 PM PDT by WIBamian (I will not be abused by liars.)
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To: WIBamian

I love Allen West...but I am a Cruz guy first.


274 posted on 06/12/2015 4:48:47 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: WIBamian; TNMOUTH

Could be very interesting.


275 posted on 06/12/2015 4:49:06 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: CCGuy

AAWWW, well, maybe Boehner can get you one of his tissues then.

He didn’t alienate all of us or even millions of us. He alienated you because you have an agenda.

I will bet that Cruz will redeem himself on this page, while other falter.

Now, again, WHO is better?


276 posted on 06/12/2015 4:49:45 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: TNMOUTH

Of course. Don’t address all the power Cruz wanted to give away. Just insult. Very liberal of you.


277 posted on 06/12/2015 4:50:16 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: CCGuy

So, I will ask you again. Who else betrayed you since it wasn’t just Cruz?

Who are you supporting?

And now, Cruz didn’t give away any power. BTW, you make it sound like he is the only one...there are, I don’t know, 100 Senators, right?


278 posted on 06/12/2015 4:51:11 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

My so-called representative, Bruce Poliquin, fake conservative from Maine, is also a Boehner butt boy.


279 posted on 06/12/2015 4:51:15 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The so-called Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate group.)
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To: TNMOUTH

We have sixteen long months to draft West. We can start a grassroots movement that will courageously stand steadfast and loyal behind a battle-tested Conservative warrior.


280 posted on 06/12/2015 4:56:07 PM PDT by WIBamian (I will not be abused by liars.)
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