[Mariner]

"Ryan is saying that the text will be released when the negotiations with the other 11 countries are concluded. "

There's a common text in circulation in 12 countries. Substantial "negotiation" has occurred.

It's time to let the American people see those texts so they can determine if they want this "agreement": to move forward on Fast Track, or whether they want to require a 2/3 Senate majority to effect a formal, international treaty.

Of course the counter argument is that we should trust Congress and POTUS to do the right thing.

Which side of that argument are you on?

[semimojo]

It's time to let the American people see those texts so they can determine if they want this "agreement": to move forward on Fast Track, or whether they want to require a 2/3 Senate majority to effect a formal, international treaty.

Of course the counter argument is that we should trust Congress and POTUS to do the right thing. Which side of that argument are you on?

It isn't a matter of trusting them to do the right thing - just being realistic. Every modern trade deal has been implemented as an executive-congressional agreement, as proposed for TPP. There are very practical reasons for this.

If you're against trade agreements so be it, and TPP may well be a bad deal for us, but I think this whole secrecy thing is a red herring.

[firebrand]

“When we pass it” doesn’t usually mean “when other countries agree to it.”