Posted on 06/03/2015 4:03:28 AM PDT by HomerBohn
The US is trying to do the same thing. I’ll go to jail for defending myself and others if I have to. I don’t need the elite’s permission to survive in the chaotic society they have created with the open border, cultural cleansing and fouled up criminal justice system.
They can murder me if they don’t like it and they can get away with it.
Not this again.
Self defence in the UK is legal. Guns are legal.
Bad gun laws aside, there are still 2.3m legal guns in the UK.
Perhaps if you read myself and the other British freepers, you will see that this headline isn’t true.
Martin, Tony Martin.
The judge deemed (wrongly imo) that he exceeded self defence, as they were 100 yards away and running away.
Sorry, my Canuck friend, you are wrong. A UK homwowner a couple of years ago killed the burglar, and he was perfectly entitled under UK law to do so.
There is a lot of myth and outright rubbish talked in the US about UK self defence and/or guns.
As long as people in the US inc on FR keep telling lies and myth, then yes, I will be here to give the actual facts about the UK, in this case, self-defence. You will also notice other UK freepers do the same, I assume we are all in denial?. Or maybe as actual Brits, we actually KNOW the law better than some US blogger/writer and Freepers.
Maybe because I read every UK thread on FR. Usually to correct crap like this.
The writer says that the only self defence product allowed is a rape alarm. WRONG.
He has BADLY misunderstood that to mean that’s the only weapon allowed. WRONG.
What it ACTUALLY means is that the alarm is the only personal self defence weapon you can buy on the high street. It DOSENT mean its the only self defence item allowed in the UK. Mr Adelmann has got it badly wrong.
BUT you can still defend yourself in the UK with ANYTHING!. Including a gun (as long as its legal), or knife, sword, baseball bat, cricket bat, kitchen knife, anything to hand.
I KNOW this issue, as I did so in 2008. Baseball bat and fists. Ironic as I am a UK gun owner. LOL.
And got nothing but praise from police and the trial judge (junkie burglar got 44months, now serving six to eight years for attempted murder just weeks after release!)
I was replying to the reference BigCinBigD made to an old Mothy Python’s Flying Circus skit.
My wife is a great fan of British mystery and police TV shows. Whenever I watch one with her, I cannot help but get the impression a gun is a no no in Britain. Practically no good guy civilians are ever shown with a gun, unless a shotgun sporting event.
So when I read an article headlined as we are discussing here, I totally believe it.
Thank you for the correction, which prompted me to read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
Which says in part: “Semi-auto shotguns are legal.[15] All other rifles and their ammunition are permitted with no limits as to magazine size, to include: target shooting, hunting, and historic and muzzle-loading weapons, as well as long barrelled breachloading pistols with a specific overall length, but not for self-defence; however if a home-owner is threatened they may be used in self-defence, so long as the force is reasonable.[16]”
Based on what I read at that site, most of my collection would be illegal in Britain. And unless I lived in Ireland, I probably could not have a concealed permit.
Do they mean a reasonable fear of death, injury, whatever?
Or are they referring to the force used itself?
Sorry, but I didn’t write this piece...
You guys will be laughed at out here until you decide to man-up a bit and stop having a bunch of gun-hating, man-hating women running things there.
Show a bit of your past, please.
Badass, you’d have to ask the scotsman that.
All I did was read wiki about British gun laws which verified his statement about self defense.
Keep in mind wiki is often no more accurate than the news stories we all comment on here at FR.
It would be interesting to hear the definition of “reasonable force”.
That’s still a drop in the bucket compared to the entirety of the population. It is outrageous said laws are allowed to stand. Utterly frightening. Government should fear the people, people should not be fearful of their government.
Fear of the government? A rare, indeed virtually unknown sentiment here in the UK.
Maybe it is by U.S. standards, but it's still as large number as it ever has been. Even before any restrictions handgun ownership, as a conventional item of domestic equipment for the defence of person or property, was never widespread in Britain. Britons have only been interested in guns for two purposees, sport and vermin control.The guns suitable for these purposes - shotguns and various classes of rifle - were the only kinds of gun widely owned: and since they've never been banned, they remain so (particularly with the growing popularity of countryside shooting sports). By contrast handgun ownership was always very small - sold mostly to army officers at a time (up to WW1) when they were still required to provide their own personal weapons, or to men going to work abroad, especially in the wilder reaches of the Empire. The number of legally-owned handguns which had to be surrendered after the post-Dunblane ban was therefore tiny by U.S. standards - some few tens of thousands, as I remember. The notion that Britons were suddenly 'disarmed' in their millions is a bit of a myth.
We’re too busy laughing at ours.
Actually, it’s vermin control that I’m concerned about... of the two-legged variety.
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