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To: ilgipper

You must be a youngster. America is not “in collapse.” America collapsed long ago. Now we’re merely living with the consequences.


7 posted on 06/02/2015 8:09:27 AM PDT by LouAvul (We've been sold down the river, and I can't swim.)
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To: LouAvul

I would say the most obvious sign that America has already collapsed is when obama got a second term.

Another obvious factor is the GOPe going totally against the voter mandate and funding or approving anything obama wants.

So yes, we are now merely living with the consequences, which will only get worse. The more the political class gets by with, the worse it will get.

Hillary or Bush being elected prez would not surprise me at all. The illegals will be made legal. The degradation of our military and police forces will continue. Baltimore will equate to choir practice compared to the violence perpetrated by our lefties in the next few years.

The consequences will keep on piling up until we are ripe for CWII or invasion - CWII does not mean the good guys will win. Many of the greatest nations on earth fell from within. It’s how history works, and it’s inevitable.

Check out Greece, once one of the greatest cultures in history, now just a piss an country full of gimme gimme whiny babies. Fifty to a hundred years we will be no different, and the ones that voted for it will get screwed the hardest.


15 posted on 06/02/2015 8:29:02 AM PDT by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: LouAvul
America is not “in collapse.” America collapsed long ago. Now we’re merely living with the consequences.

This is totally nitpicking as we're not far from agreement, but I don't think that's the case. A poll of people would disagree. Restaurants are full, stock market is up. The jobs market, while not healthy, is not in a catastrophic state. It's tough, but more are succeeding than not. The top level numbers are fine for now. As I mentioned earlier, band-aids are holding it together. We've been on decline for awhile. The 80/90s boom was a temporary hold on things, but now we're sliding fast. It's evident as culturally and voting wise, it's a majority now of 'if it feels good, do it'. That is not new, but when we see marriage destroyed and states voting for pot on the streets, etc. There's little chance you could find a majority to fix medicare or medicaid or social security because they are unable to think critically. Same on foreign policy. We're letting the world literally blow up around us because it's 'none of our business'.

You are saying we collapsed already and have been for a long time, I see it as a tipping point situation, where we are either just before or just after the tipping point. The question is, can it be saved?

21 posted on 06/02/2015 9:12:56 AM PDT by ilgipper
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