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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
For the entire length of the war in Iraq under George Bush, that fruitless endeavor was justified as a killing field of jihadist drawn into that theater. How did that work out?

The strategy of shoveling flies is no more effective than the strategy of taking real estate when waging an asymmetrical war involving terrorism. You are right, a worldwide Islamic terrorist state is a threat to the USA but the idea that its "center" is Iraq/Syria leads to a confused strategy, a strategy which led us to invade Iraq in the first place. If we were to tame Iraq tomorrow, the jihadist threat would still be extant from China to well along the Mediterranean coast, Iraq is only a place. When we occupied Iraq did we come any closer to preventing 19 box cutter welding fanatics from attacking America the next time? Of course not. This war is not a war for geography, not a checker game in two dimensions in which spaces are taken and held, it is a three or four dimensional war which must be seen in those terms.

If in one of the highest honors in hell where Osama bin Laden is no doubt roasting for eternity he might if he is capable look upon our misadventure in Iraq as the fruit of his attack on 9/11 and he could not be better satisfied with the outcome. Similarly, for the United States to get mixed up in Iraq now by any means other than determined aerial bombing would be almost as damaging to our security.

I have posted from the very beginning of the Obama war in Iraq that the enemy is not really Isis, the real enemy was and remains Iran. Iran has the infrastructure and will soon have the bomb. At that point the geographical balance of power in the region will be stood on its head and America will be even more obviously on the run. This is more than a checker board move, the bomb will change everything.

We must start to think in these terms and get rid of the idea that we can win in Vietnam this time.


7 posted on 05/30/2015 10:06:52 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
" highest honors in hell" was actually dictated as "hottest corners in hell."


8 posted on 05/30/2015 10:13:19 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Good post. Largely agree.

Speaking of China, they don’t fool around, people may have missed that China just brought to justice a bunch of Uighur gangs. The causes and problems are not all that clear, sure, some of this is Extremism, they are Muslims.

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-says-over-180-gangs-smashed-anti-terror-crackdown-xinjiang-1936755

I read something that when the US invaded Iraq, Syria let go a whole lot of radical jihadists in their jails and sent them to Iraq. Syria and Iran may well have fomented trouble for the US. I can imagine something like this.

Hindsights 20/20 but we really don’t have a clearer idea now either.


10 posted on 05/30/2015 11:25:52 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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