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The new debate about Social Security
LifeHealthPro.com ^ | 15 April 2015 | Brenton Smith

Posted on 05/28/2015 4:52:18 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon

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Pretty much hits it out of the park.

For decades, any problem that developed within Social Security was fixed by shifting the cost to future workers. Today that isn’t possible.

Do you want to privatize Social Security? The math is simple. There is no way to privatize a negative number. We will have to fill in the $25 trillion dollar hole before there is anything to privatize.

1 posted on 05/28/2015 4:52:19 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Significantly curtail who gets SS disability benefits. There are millions of able-bodied Americans who can work, but have scammed the system to collect disability payments. I know several of those lowlifes. They disgust me.


2 posted on 05/28/2015 4:59:52 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Politicians never seem able to grasp the First Corollary of Murphy’s Law. If something can’t happen it won’t.


3 posted on 05/28/2015 5:01:11 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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There's no doubt in my mind that Social Security and Medicare will be "fixed" through a strategy of euthanizing elderly people in this country.

Not only is there no way to privatize a negative number ... there's no way to raise tax revenue from people who aren't working in the future, either. This is why it's basically foreign workers who are indirectly financing our entitlement programs today -- through the low-interest bonds issued by the U.S. government, and purchased by foreign interests, to finance our massive (and growing) $18 trillion debt.

4 posted on 05/28/2015 5:02:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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What I particularly like is the position that Christie is taking. The sense that high income earners in retirement should have their benefits taxed to zero. Among the great inconsistencies of the SS mess, that is my favorite. Perhaps it wasn't Christie, but then it would likely have been Warren in some early stage of her career who probably intoned that SS was some form of "sacred social contract" with retirees, that one paid in to the system while working in order to receive benefits in retirement. Well, OK, not for rich folks.
5 posted on 05/28/2015 5:03:12 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: ought-six

That is a good idea, and will solve perhaps 5% of the $25 trillion financial hole.


6 posted on 05/28/2015 5:07:15 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means.....)
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What does the author mean “you can’t privatize it?”

You keep the program in place for existing seniors age 60 and older.

You roll those who put their money into the system (age 30-60) into an IRA or 401(k).

You give those age 29 and under a $2,000 tax credit to invest in their own IRA or 401(k).

Massive economic growth combined with cutting spending will take care of the rest.


7 posted on 05/28/2015 5:17:05 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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So basically, not only will people who work hard and have success get taxed at a much higher rate, but then, when it comes time to collect, won’t get anything? The super rich won’t care, but the just over the line folks will get gypped big time. That decreases incentive to produce. It also penalizes savers who save and invest and have something left for their own retirement. This scheme is meant as just another money grab. What they need to do is not give it to people who have not paid in and especially not give it to illegals.


8 posted on 05/28/2015 5:17:44 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this...")
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To: ought-six

Not to mention their lawyers who routinely collect 1/3 of their benefits. In short, it’s been a legal goldmine.

SS Disability Insurance is nearly broke and they are talking about a benefit reduction. Let’s see if that actually happens or if Congress blinks. I predict the latter.


9 posted on 05/28/2015 5:18:31 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Brings us to reason #1 the right wing side of the professional political class (PPC) wants to legalize 30-50 million illegals going forward. To prop up SS until the current PPC are long gone.

(Reason #1 of the left is to elect democrats)


10 posted on 05/28/2015 5:19:11 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Cruz2Victory!)
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To: Alberta's Child

I really don’t count on anything for my retirement beyond my own savings & investments. And even that is questionable because I half expect the Government to confiscate that “for the common good”.


11 posted on 05/28/2015 5:20:58 AM PDT by rbg81
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“That is a good idea, and will solve perhaps 5% of the $25 trillion financial hole.”

Negative, negative, negative.

Just take the disability rules back to what they were in 1991 and see what happens. The dagger in the heart of SS was when ‘the bent one’ wanted to claim he had, ‘ended welfare as we know it.’ In a sense he did. He pushed billions of dollars of it into the Social Security payout. It has been eating up funds ever since. And the damage escalates year by year.


12 posted on 05/28/2015 5:23:40 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You roll those who put their money into the system (age 30-60) into an IRA or 401(k).

Do you know how much money this is??

It's not in a vault somewhere, it's going to pay the monthly checks of current retirees.

Your first and second steps can't happen at the same time, because it's the same money. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

13 posted on 05/28/2015 5:25:03 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means.....)
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If you take out all the fraud in the SSI program, Social Security still crashes, just a decade or so later that it currently is planned to.


14 posted on 05/28/2015 5:28:51 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means.....)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Repeal the Earned Income Tax Credit. Money not given away to begin with is money saved.


15 posted on 05/28/2015 5:38:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (`)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

The US government interfering with YOUR income.... what could go wrong?


16 posted on 05/28/2015 5:39:50 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

The problem with that theory is that if fails to recalculate the reduction in long term payouts without all of the nonsensical claims. If the ONLY payouts that were made were to people that had ACTUALLY paid into the system throughout their life, the system does not crash.

As far as I am concerned, the ‘fraud’ includes those people legally collecting money, but are only legal because people like Clintoon wanted to hide their increased welfare spending. Zero has since added to this abuse, and sadly, GWB did almost nothing to clean it up.


17 posted on 05/28/2015 5:43:11 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

The problem with SOCIALISM, is that eventually you run out of (other people’s) money.


18 posted on 05/28/2015 5:46:49 AM PDT by Baldwin77
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

solution:
privatize /spin off government assets, issue shares to those that paid into ss. Anwar, government land, radio frequency rights, hell even amtrack could be grown into a valuable high speed rail company.


19 posted on 05/28/2015 5:47:01 AM PDT by jonose
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Just wait until OBAMACARE is running on EMPTY... where do you think the “cost cuts” will hit?


20 posted on 05/28/2015 5:48:06 AM PDT by Baldwin77
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