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To: marron
Good post.

It seems to me we ought to start out by asking some fundamental questions: what are the essential national interests of the United States respecting China? What motivates China? How can China be influenced to respect our national interests?

As I noted in another thread, we have no coherent policy respecting China just as we have no coherent policy respecting militant Islam. This is a direct result of electing a president who is not motivated by America's national interests but who is instead motivated by his ideology.

The result of this incoherence is danger. We are in danger of blundering into a war with China and, contrary to conservative assumptions about the pacific nature of limp wristed leftists, we are in danger of being put into a war in furtherance of Marxist ideology. We should understand that committed leftists like Obama have historically demonstrated a cold indifference to human cost of waging war on behalf of their ideology. Obama was not opposed to the war in Iraq because he feared American casualties, he opposed it on left-wing ideological grounds just as the left opposed the war in Vietnam, the war in Korea and the Cold War. Obama's commitment to his ideology is far more extensive than the commitment of rank-and-file Democrats during Korea, Vietnam and the cold war. He is far worse. He might even entertain Muslims sympathies.

Your point about a war with China being waged with bags of money as well taken. The irony, of course, is that we will be bribed with our own money as we hollow out the American economy and ship it in containers to China. Now we are hollowing out the American economy and shipping it via the Internet to China as they appropriate much of the American economy beyond manufacturing.

We have not even begun to approach a debate about the nature of our fundamental national interests concerning China. That they must start with an analysis of our economic relationship with China and only then can we proceed to an analysis of diplomatic and military postures.


14 posted on 05/27/2015 10:40:34 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Obama = Incoherence. This gives our enemies time to gain a foothold and fortify. When the war comes, our losses will be higher than what they should have been, unless we adopt total war, and with Obama, he should not be given that temptation under any means.


21 posted on 05/27/2015 11:35:54 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: nathanbedford
Obama’s foreign policy IS to have no foreign policy.
27 posted on 05/27/2015 11:41:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: nathanbedford; marron; Travis McGee; potlatch; ntnychik
Mao's Long March culminated in the 1949 victory followed by aggression in Korea.

When the Soviet Union affected a reformation China chose to Strike Hard at Tiananmen killing 2,000.

In 1997 Bernstein and Munro published The Coming Conflict with China.

In 1999 Unrestricted Warfare forecast asymmetrical warfare with the U.S.

China is a menace to every regional neighbor and to every nation depending upon freedom of navigation.

The current POTUS evinces a clear and unmistakable Muslim-Marxist bent.

Such a figure will stack U.S. national interest at the bottom of a list, or in an opposite column of null set priorities.

In the interest of the future existence of a United States it is vital to elect a non-Hillary.

Such an anti-American figure capable of selling U.S. uranium to an aggressive Russia will surely accept Chinese bribes.

We need only recall the 1995 200-page fax sent to PLA by Loral (Bernard L. Schwartz) and Hughes (C. Michael Armstrong) deemed a threat to national security by the May 1997 DOD report counteracted by the 1998 Clinton waiver to know that money not patriotism figures with these people.

In the event of a Hillary presidency the money will overshadow the Huang-Chang-Trie era by worlds.

I posit a China in resurgence on a trimillenial warlord continuum.

There is no Munich bargain, only a strategic stance.

Bolton, not Kerry would clarify the issue, for the Middle Kingdom sees earth as its world; we are allowed to live in it.


40 posted on 05/28/2015 12:38:03 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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