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Finding Redemption in the Josh Duggar Story
Townhall.com ^ | May 25, 2015 | Michael Brown

Posted on 05/25/2015 10:05:12 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Popman

Lena Dunham “admitted to molesting her younger sister”.

More like she bragged about it.

Then she issued an apologetic non-apology and said her childhood acts were normal. Some of them apparently took place when she was the same age as Josh Dugar (14) when these acts occurred, and at least one of each of their respective siblings (i.e. victims) were about the same age.

You’re right double standard from the left.


121 posted on 05/25/2015 1:45:55 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
send the son away to a Christian treatment program involving hard labor for three four months

Correction: It was a four-month program: http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#14

122 posted on 05/25/2015 1:49:56 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: CatherineofAragon

“JimBob kissed Michelle and asked, ‘Did that turn you on?’ Then he got behind her and started grinding his pelvis into her butt. In front of his teenaged daughter and her fiance.”

You’re making this up, right?

I have never seen any of their shows, but if that really happened it would change my mind about this.


123 posted on 05/25/2015 1:51:52 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
I was a Prosecutor in VA for about 25 years. We used to see this all the time. It was very much like the Celeb who gets caught cheating and then claims “sex addiction”. No, you aren’t a sex addict ... you were just horny and got caught. I can’t think of an instance of sex abuse like unto this case where suddenly Jesus was used as a shield and/or an excuse. Suddenly, Jesus and God was everywhere. Needless to say, we never bought it even if there was a history of “religion”. We always found that if there was a history of “religion” that that too was just used as cover before they got caught. It is amazing to me how many people, how many Christians, let down their guard when someone says “I’m a Christian”. Perhaps it’s the Prosecutor in me, but I need a whole lot more than that.

IF the statute of limitations have run, it appears no prosecution will take place. I do not have a problem with adherence to the law. This now man is never going to have his acts forgotten, whether he is prosecuted or not.

But the most infamous pervert paraded old Billy Graham out and about absolving island hopping, old bjclinton in the name of Jesus. Few admonished that so called man of Jesus for his role in protecting a molesting abuser. Why in large numbers members of Graham's denomination in spite of his perverse acts elected him president. I know this because I kept getting told to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Given our system is set by precedence why is it worse for this boy/man at 14, after Clinton, to receive same manner of justice? What is now justice to the victims? I do not have an answer to that. But I have no doubt that God will serve up justice.

Alinsky had a special rule just for the Christian.

124 posted on 05/25/2015 1:54:04 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: mdmathis6

I heard Oprah faxed it to the Human Services hotline who then contacted police and the case was reopened. If the family consulted with church elders in 2003 it could easily have been common knowledge around the congregation.


125 posted on 05/25/2015 1:56:17 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

So what if the state trooper was into a child porn, that does not reflect on the Duggars. Were they suppose that he too was into Child Porn? I can bet you may have a friend who is into that or perhaps molested a minor many years ago. Does that make you an accessory to it?

Well lets see, the showed air on September 28, 2008, but the molestation occur in 2002. The police report is from 2006. “Was happening right at the start of their TV Show” - I don’t think so. The past is the past


126 posted on 05/25/2015 1:56:37 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: CatherineofAragon

Holy cow. Warning: this may be shocking to some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjRiQw9KLw


127 posted on 05/25/2015 1:58:11 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“Just go to youtube and put in ‘duggars golf course.’”

I did and saw the clip and think you mis-characterized it completely.

If I saw a man showing his wife how to play golf by standing behind her and bending his knees to be in the right position to putt, I wouldn’t think twice about it.

Never heard any sexual comments. And his actions did not look sexual to me.


128 posted on 05/25/2015 2:04:50 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: mdmathis6

It looks as if, in 2006, the person who sent a message to Oprah was the one who called the local police: http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#10

Meanwhile, all Oprah’s show did was forward that person’s letter to the Dept. of Human Services.

But that one person in Arkansas - who called the police and the Oprah show - confronted the parents (as per the police report), and the parents openly told this person what happened and how they dealt with it.


129 posted on 05/25/2015 2:06:08 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: jimbo807

“Had Gothard had the good sense to recommend that young men be taken to the local whore house with 500 dollars, this may not have happened.”

So just to be clear, you think the problem here is Gothard NOT teaching these parent to take their teenage son to prostitutes for a sexual outlet?

You are on the wrong forum FRiend.


130 posted on 05/25/2015 2:13:04 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: mdmathis6
The question Me and some Freepers had was why was the info sent to Oprah instead of the local CPS.

It looks as if one person called the State Police Child Abuse Hotline and also sent a letter to Oprah's show. Oprah's show forwarded the letter to the Dept. of Human Services (CPS?). http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#11

CPS can be real NAZI’s over this sort of stuff.

Maybe they did follow up. Or maybe they didn't because the statute of limitations had passed?

131 posted on 05/25/2015 2:14:22 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Guenevere

Don’t feel too bad. Not everyone agrees with jimbo807. He has actually advocated his way of preventing this would be to take the teenage son to prostitutes for a sexual outlet.


132 posted on 05/25/2015 2:15:19 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

Yes. He needed to get it out of his system, you know?


133 posted on 05/25/2015 2:16:20 PM PDT by jimbo807
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To: jimbo807

All I had was a few playboy, a book about sex with some hard to decipher drawings, and the sears catalogue


134 posted on 05/25/2015 2:19:35 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

LOL. Those were the days.


135 posted on 05/25/2015 2:20:27 PM PDT by jimbo807
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To: unlearner

It’s obvious that video is mischaracterizing what happened.

I wanted to find the entire video. Here it is... The golf scene starts around 5:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGMm-f53wk

IMHO, the way they were talking around their daughter and her date was very awkward, uncomfortable. But it sure wasn’t what the other video made it out to be.


136 posted on 05/25/2015 2:30:56 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: jimbo807

“Yes. He needed to get it out of his system, you know?”

Man, oh man. I have seen some keepers here on FR, but this is way up there.

Here we have a debate on how the Duggar family should be treated when it becomes public that over a dozen years ago their oldest son molested his sisters when he was 14.

Some here believe the family, especially Josh and the parents, should be punished up to including imprisonment and sex offender registry. On the other end of the spectrum are those who think the issue has been addressed and resolved and does not warrant any further punishment.

But you simultaneously pontificate on how evil it was for the 14 year old to molest his sisters while advocating it would have been good parenting for them to take him to prostitutes at 14.

Just, wow! Unbelievable.

Now you have convinced me...
you ARE on the wrong forum.

That’s a position that I’m sure would be welcomed at DU. Though they may debate you on whether incestuous molestation should be a crime.


137 posted on 05/25/2015 2:33:09 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Morgana

He didn’t have sex with any of them, FGS. He molested them by groping them while they slept, and he touched the 4 year old on her buttocks under her dress during story time while she sat on his lap. It’s all in the police report, which you might wanna read before posting.


138 posted on 05/25/2015 2:33:57 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: unlearner

You are quite dense to miss the obvious satire here.


139 posted on 05/25/2015 2:34:52 PM PDT by jimbo807
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To: jimbo807

So taking 14 year olds to a whorehouse is the way to teach them about sex?


140 posted on 05/25/2015 2:38:12 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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