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U.S. Army Raising “Concerns” Over CMP Transfers
FPC Blog ^ | May 24, 2015 | Evan Gillespie

Posted on 05/24/2015 12:41:01 PM PDT by OK Sun

U.S. Representative Mike Rogers (R-Alabama) made headlines recently when he introduced an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act of 2015 (H.R. 1735). The amendment allows for the transfer of surplus 1911A1 handguns to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) for sale to the general public.

Last week, in response, the U.S. army released a white paper voicing “concern” over this amendment and claimed that there would be “potential negative impacts on public safety from the large amount of semi-automatic and concealable pistols that will be released for public purchase.” These concerns included the traceability of the firearms after sale, and the applicability of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Public safety concerns revolved around the fact that there is “no statutory requirement or record keeping obligation for CMP,” which could make it difficult for federal agencies to track some firearm transfers, once they are completed.

As John Richardson of No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money notes, though, the Civilian Marksmanship Program has stringent standards that must be met by an individual before they can acquire a firearm from this program. These firearms are not released to any person who inquires – they must be non-prohibited persons and meet CMP’s eligibility requirements. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at firearmspolicy.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; alabama; army; banglist; cmp; guncontrol; marksmanship; mikerogers; secondamendment
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To: OK Sun

Had a chucked when they used the term “concealable”. That’s a reach. They just looking for excuses.


81 posted on 05/24/2015 4:45:43 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: elcid1970

>>I’m a little taken aback. $600 is not expensive? What is the threshold for a handgun to be considered `expensive’?

Check the CPI between 1990 and today. You’ll find that $600 today is roughly the equivalent of $250 then.


82 posted on 05/24/2015 4:47:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Lion Den Dan

>>You just could not shoot then and probably still can’t.

GFY. I could shoot then and now. I’m much better today than I was then thanks to an extra 25 years of weekly practice.


83 posted on 05/24/2015 4:49:45 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Chainmail

>>Unbelieveable. A Norinco? Gimme a break. Biggest piece of junk since Raven Arms.

Why is that? They were exact 1911A1 clones and fully interchangeable with the same aftermarket upgrades that a Colt would use. I shot IPSC matches for 2 years with that Norinco (after some mods, of course, but they were the same mods that the Colt guys would put in their guns).


84 posted on 05/24/2015 4:52:49 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: OK Sun

“concerns included the traceability of the firearms after sale”

The holy grail of the anti gun crowd, and an utterly useless law enforcement technique.


85 posted on 05/24/2015 4:58:06 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: atomic_dog

probably just the admin that converted or transcribed the document into pdf format. few people write letters using a pdf editor, but they will convert them to pdf for distribution outside the organization


86 posted on 05/24/2015 5:00:31 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Bryanw92
I tried a new Colt Series 80 and could not believe that it was the same gun as the junk the military handed me.

That is what they all say, Still say you could not shoot then or now and use that as an excuse for poor performance with your pistol.

87 posted on 05/24/2015 5:02:37 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Bryanw92

When I was in grad school, I worked at a gun shop during Christmas vacation. The dealer handled Norinco M1911s and they looked pretty good for the price.

I know they were popular to use as the base for building competition guns. They were not the equal of the Colts but still seemed perfectly good.

As for the Raven, it was one of the best cheap guns ever made. They were more reliable than far more expensive guns. They were made of pot metal and I sure would have preferred a nicer gun but if that is all you could afford, it was a good gun.


88 posted on 05/24/2015 5:02:48 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Terry L Smith

These have probably already been promised to isis


89 posted on 05/24/2015 5:23:07 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Bryanw92
Then, I tried a new Colt Series 80 and could not believe that it was the same gun as the junk the military handed me.

After 5000+ rounds, my colt SS series 80 Model O still shoots like a champ. Sorry to hear of your experience.

90 posted on 05/24/2015 5:35:01 PM PDT by farming pharmer
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To: Bryanw92

‘Lotta slop in some of Sam’s stuff. Nice and new they’re nice, but not as nice as some variants.


91 posted on 05/24/2015 5:36:00 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: atomic_dog

Excellent work on the PDF file!


92 posted on 05/24/2015 5:36:08 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Lion Den Dan

>>That is what they all say, Still say you could not shoot then or now and use that as an excuse for poor performance with your pistol.

I never said that it wasn’t accurate enough to get my Navy Expert Pistol medal, which I earned with one in 1985. I just thought they were rattly pieces of junk based on the fact that all the guns I owned were tight.


93 posted on 05/24/2015 5:36:50 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: akalinin

>>After 5000+ rounds, my colt SS series 80 Model O still shoots like a champ. Sorry to hear of your experience.

Does it still have the original barrel bushing? Our Navy 1911’s were made in WW2 and still had the original bushings.


94 posted on 05/24/2015 5:38:05 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
>>After 5000+ rounds, my colt SS series 80 Model O still shoots like a champ. Sorry to hear of your experience.

Does it still have the original barrel bushing? Our Navy 1911’s were made in WW2 and still had the original bushings.

All original except for the grips, which I replaced with a (Uncle Mikes?) wrap-around type with finger grips.

95 posted on 05/24/2015 5:44:04 PM PDT by farming pharmer
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To: atomic_dog

Nice work there!!! Hat’s off to you.


96 posted on 05/24/2015 6:05:33 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: dangerdoc

They are as much “military” as PT belts are military.

Hey, whatever, these were collector pieces, overpriced to begin with for the comdition.


97 posted on 05/24/2015 6:29:13 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Bryanw92

“Check the CPI between 1990 and today. You’ll find that $600 today is roughly the equivalent of $250 then.”

One of those things that make you go hmmm.....


98 posted on 05/24/2015 6:31:31 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: BobL

Ayn Rand (who should know first hand) says:

“The necessary consequence of man’s right to life is his right to self-defense. In a civilized society, force may be used only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use. All the reasons which make the initiation of physical force an evil, make the retaliatory use of physical force a moral imperative.

If some “pacifist” society renounced the retaliatory use of force, it would be left helplessly at the mercy of the first thug who decided to be immoral. Such a society would achieve the opposite of its intention: instead of abolishing evil, it would encourage and reward it.”


99 posted on 05/24/2015 6:54:39 PM PDT by CitizenBob
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To: Bryanw92

“Check the CPI between 1990 and today. You’ll find that $600 today is roughly the equivalent of $250 then.”

If you accept the figures, yes. Personally I think the truth is considerably worse than that.


100 posted on 05/24/2015 7:44:19 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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