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To: truth_seeker; cripplecreek

From the beginning the National Socialist Party was just another bunch of commies. There’s only room for one political authority under such a system. The Nazis finished their consolidation first, that’s all. Stalin’s network in Germany between the wars concluded that Hitler was their best bet.


31 posted on 05/10/2015 2:19:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I do NOT agree that the Nazi movement was closely affiliated with communist political philosophy. It was nationalist, authoritarian, driven by resentment from WWI humiliation, however.

Stalin had nothing to do with Hitler coming to power.


32 posted on 05/10/2015 2:27:28 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SunkenCiv

Stalin’s biggest fear was a Communist takeover of Germany, and with it, the political center of the worldwide Communist movement would have shifted from Moscow to Berlin, even if the KPD paid lip service to Moscow, Germany simply was more advanced in too many ways.

So Hitler got help from Stalin in eliminating most of the leadership of the KPD. Stalin wanted Communism in Germany ultimately, but it was going to be on Stalin’s terms.


43 posted on 05/10/2015 3:15:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SunkenCiv; truth_seeker; cripplecreek
On that note, see the Hayek quote on my FR profile page. Here, I'll just put it on the thread; it tends to back up what you're saying. Hayek was a trained economist who observed events in the 1930s as they were happening.

Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

56 posted on 05/10/2015 3:53:20 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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