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30 years later, MOVE's lessons still not learned
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 05/10/2014 | H. Graham McDonald

Posted on 05/10/2015 10:56:41 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

May 13 marks the 30th anniversary of a dark day in Philadelphia's history - an event that captured much national attention at the time but seems largely forgotten now, except by those who personally lived it.

On that day, a series of reckless actions (and cowardly inactions) by government and police culminated in a decision to bomb the Osage neighborhood in West Philadelphia, causing the deaths of 11 people (five of them children) and a conflagration that destroyed 60 homes. In an attempt to rid a black neighborhood of a disruptive group, also largely black, the city's law enforcement mechanisms brought devastation on the entire communit

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There was a lot of blame for everyone but the author forgot to mention that the mayor who was overseeing LE was also black and was resounding re-elected.
1 posted on 05/10/2015 10:56:41 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen
30 Years Later MOVE's Lesson's Still Not Learned

Who's fault is that?

2 posted on 05/10/2015 10:58:19 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Nothing like good old Democrat political machines! They’ve done wonders for so many inner cities! /sarc


3 posted on 05/10/2015 11:00:45 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Kid Shelleen
W. Wilson Goode.

An absolute moron.

Police fired more than 100,000 rounds that day and we dropped a flash bang bomb, not a grenade, but a bomb, on a rooftop piled high in gasoline containers. People trying to flee the house or "Compound" as gubmint likes to call someone's house they don't like......the police would shoot at them to force them either back into the burning building or to die from gunshots.

Rest in Peace, Irv Homer. We miss you!

4 posted on 05/10/2015 11:04:35 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Yes, we forget this. These people weren’t too sympathetic. But there would’ve been no Waco or Ruby Ridge without this.

“First they came for Operation Move. But I was not ...”


5 posted on 05/10/2015 11:14:06 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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Police fired more than 100,000 rounds that day...

Seriously? I watched an old documentary on the SLA's last stand, and I think the estimate was cops 5K rounds, and the SLA 4K rounds, with ONLY the SLA types being hit and/or killed.

No LEOs, no gawkers/passersby killed or wounded. I was amazed.

6 posted on 05/10/2015 11:14:35 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Kid Shelleen

Did the BTAFE and H0lder learn from Waco?


7 posted on 05/10/2015 11:14:58 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kid Shelleen


8 posted on 05/10/2015 11:15:09 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Calvin Locke
The cops on the ground would not be outdone with cops in helicopters with bombs. The firefighters could not arrive at the scene because of all the police gunfire. I think only Ramona and Birdie survived the ordeal.

I'm not saying MOVE wasn't a part in their own disaster, but it was about 10% MOVE and about 90% government on adrenaline and rage.

Not a bad way to get some homeowner urban renewal courtesy of the taxpayer though! A whole lot of people got some really nice new houses from that mess.

9 posted on 05/10/2015 11:19:47 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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Goode confessed he was watching all the events TV. He made some lame excuse like the snow in the picture made him think the fire was being extinguished.

I miss Irv too !!! Too bad many of his ideas were over the head of the grievance community.
10 posted on 05/10/2015 11:21:03 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen

What a bunch of revisionist bullcrap. Never thought is see the day that MOVE and the SLA would be “victims” on a conservative site.
And as for the childish comparisons to Waco and Ruby Ridge, remember both of those separated themselves, bothered nobody and were good neighbors.
Move turned a block into north Korea, and yes, they did build a compound.


11 posted on 05/10/2015 11:24:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
After 5 generations in Philadelphia straight from Wales, I left and so did almost all of my family from 1994 to 1999. Some to Ocean City, NJ, some to Scottsdale AZ, some to the Poconos, and we moved eventually to the Carolina's and Memphis.

I go back to visit in-laws once in a while and to take in Some Wawa, Amoroso's, Cisco's, Lee's, McNally's Pub, scrapple, and Tatykakes. We do not miss much else from Philly. Especially Fast Eddie.

12 posted on 05/10/2015 11:27:32 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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“Thirty years later, news reports confirm that drones, armored vehicles with high-power weapons, tanks, and battlefield helicopters are being supplied by the Department of Homeland Security to local law enforcement personnel with little or no training in their use.”

The article lost all credibilty with this sentence. Department of Homeland Security did not exist thirty years ago.


13 posted on 05/10/2015 11:28:40 AM PDT by Steven Scharf
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“The firefighters could not arrive at the scene because of all the police gunfire.”

Bullshine,,, they kept shooting at cops the whole time. Black panther propaganda says they would have surrendered if the cops would just stop shooting. And gosh, they would have never shot at a firemen and couldn’t understand why the evil cops were trying to roast all the black poets in the building.

BS


14 posted on 05/10/2015 11:29:20 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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the SLA? good neighbors??

The United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled left-wing revolutionary group active between 1973 and 1975 that considered itself a vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders, and other acts of violence.


15 posted on 05/10/2015 11:31:15 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: DesertRhino
David Koresh was a poet too.

Responding force is directly proportionate to the level brought in. Once a level of force becomes unmanageable in terms of command and control, it leaps to the destroy it all in chaos mode. Then that leaves the state to write the history and support their actions along with the bulldozing and destruction of evidence and witnesses.

MOVE was not a group absolved of their own demise. It was however not government acting responsibly and with much intelligence.

16 posted on 05/10/2015 11:36:58 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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What a bunch of revisionist bullcrap. Never thought is see the day that MOVE and the SLA would be “victims” on a conservative site.

Thank you. Free Republic has gotten a bit twilight-zoney lately with this garbage popping up.

17 posted on 05/10/2015 11:39:19 AM PDT by Tamzee (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~~~ Ronald Reagan)
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To: blackdog

Apparently they could not even replace them properly.

New York Times
15 Years and Millions Later, Bombing Plagues Philadelphia
By FRANCIS X. CLINES
Published: August 13, 2000

That is the decision last month to send buyout condemnation notices to the owners of 60 replacement houses the city built as compensation for the victims of the police blunder in May 1985, when the city routed the MOVE group of armed radicals who had turned their house at 6221 Osage Avenue into a fortress.

. . .

There has been a scandalous epilogue to the disaster. The gleaming brick replacement houses for the 60 innocent homeowners on Osage Avenue and Pine Street turned out to have been built with construction flaws by a corrupt developer. The houses have cost the city a small fortune — more than $570,000 for each row house, including an endless wave of faulty repairs. Support walls cracked for lack of basic expansion joints. Cheap plumbing and wiring failed. Roofs leaked.

And now the city has suddenly discovered, after 13 years, that heating systems present ‘’imminent danger’’ to residents through leaks of carbon monoxide. “

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/13/us/15-years-and-millions-later-bombing-plagues-philadelphia.html

The most recent article I could find was from 2010.

Constantine Report
Philadelphia Streets Never Recovered from MOVE Bomb/For MOVE’s Neighbors, a Quarter-Century of Incompetence and Injustice

By Kathy Matheson
AP | May 13, 2010

Gerri Bostic lost all her material possessions 25 years ago . . .

Her West Philadelphia neighborhood – now nearly vacant and eerily quiet – never recovered from the city’s horrific botched attempt to arrest the Move members on May 13, 1985. . . .

Today, after spending more than $43 million on redevelopment, the city has two blocks of boarded-up eyesores to show for its efforts. . .

And now that a long-running lawsuit over the replacement houses has ended, Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell says the city needs to put the past to rest on Osage Avenue and Pine Street.

. . .

http://www.constantinereport.com/philadelphia-streets-never-recovered-from-move-bombfor-moves-neighbors-a-quarter-century-of-incompetence-and-injustice/


18 posted on 05/10/2015 11:43:22 AM PDT by Steven Scharf
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19 posted on 05/10/2015 11:44:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: blackdog
Police fired more than 100,000 rounds that day

Even the lefties that wrote the story only claim 10k rounds. I'll call you on the 100k. Got some legitimate source (commies don't count).

And you can put down my response as 'good end to some really bad dudes.'

20 posted on 05/10/2015 11:45:31 AM PDT by PAR35
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