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Texas students take aim at Jefferson Davis campus statue
waff.com ^ | May 9, 2015 | David Warren

Posted on 05/10/2015 6:19:23 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012

DALLAS (AP) - Pity Jefferson Davis, if you will. Vandals have defaced his statue on the University of Texas campus, most recently with the words "Davis must fall" and "Emancipate UT." Student leaders are also seeking to remove from the Austin campus the century-old statue that recognizes the president of the Confederacy.

"We thought, there are those old ties to slavery and some would find it offensive," said senior Jamie Nalley, who joined an overwhelming majority of the Student Government in adopting a resolution in March supporting his ouster.

But as students take aim at Davis, the number of sites in Texas on public and private land that honor the Confederacy is growing - despite the opposition of the NAACP and others. Supporters cite their right to memorialize Confederate veterans and their role in Texas history, while opponents argue the memorials are too often insensitive or antagonistic, while having the backing of public institutions like UT.

The Texas Historical Commission has recognized more than 1,000 such sites from far South Texas to the upper reaches of the Panhandle. And the Sons of Confederate Veterans are planning others, including a 10-foot obelisk a few miles from the Davis statue to honor about 450 Confederate soldiers buried at the city-owned Oakwood Cemetery.

"I don't think we're trying to put up stuff just to put up stuff," said Marshall Davis, spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. "We don't want to impede anyone else from honoring their heroes. We would like to honor our heroes with the same consideration, tolerance and diversity."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: davis; education; jeffersondavis; offensive; statue; texas; universityoftexas
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To: rockrr

No argument there.


61 posted on 05/10/2015 12:14:38 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Robert DeLong

A real genius this kid.

Dull witted effete pussies like this guy are whats wrong with the youth of today.


62 posted on 05/10/2015 12:22:22 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: Jagdgewehr

J, your post 29 says exactly what I said it did.

G, your post 50 says that states seceded because of Lincoln unconstitutionally using force to keep them in the union. While this is somewhat defensible, though debatably, for the second round of secession, it has zero bearing on the first round. The 7 states that seceded in 1860 did so long before Lincoln took office. They objected simply to his being elected, not to any actions, unconstitutional or not, that he took while in office.


63 posted on 05/10/2015 12:31:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn’t say that states seceded because Lincoln used force. I was saying the reverse of that. In other words, Lincoln used force to prevent secession and to coerce a conclusion to the longstanding controversy between the states. He “preserved the Union” against the will of the seceding states and forever changed the nature of the United States by elevating the federal government to a position of supremacy over the states.


64 posted on 05/10/2015 12:41:50 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Sherman Logan
J, your post 29 says exactly what I said it did.

No. You assumed. Where do I "specifically" mention the Southern states?

65 posted on 05/10/2015 12:51:31 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Genoa

Actually the ratification of the United States Constitution “forever changed the nature of the United States by elevating the federal government to a position of supremacy over the states”.


66 posted on 05/10/2015 12:54:54 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ilovesarah2012

History must be cleansed. -liberals


67 posted on 05/10/2015 12:58:50 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: rockrr
Actually the ratification of the United States Constitution “forever changed the nature of the United States by elevating the federal government to a position of supremacy over the states”.

Wow! So the Constitution actually did that all along? I'll let somebody else reply to that if they wish to. I've said my piece.

68 posted on 05/10/2015 12:58:58 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Da Coyote

This is what I have against BIG college sports. They will accept any jerkwad who can block tackle or run. Or twirl a BBall on their finger.


69 posted on 05/10/2015 2:19:56 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Reno89519

Many Confederates viewed their insurrection as a second war of independence against tyranny.


70 posted on 05/10/2015 6:32:35 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Sherman Logan

Reconstruction ended in late 1876 as part of the deal that allowed Rutherford B Hayes to become President.


71 posted on 05/10/2015 6:36:36 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

It ended then in the few states it was still in effect.


72 posted on 05/10/2015 6:39:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Reno89519

We’ll just have to put up more for whomever leads the insurrection against the Muslim Communist government that is trying to take over the whole nation right now. Blacks and Liberals are going to hate those too.

You can’t wipe out the South, it’s heritage or its history. It’s in the blood. And it isn’t about slavery. That’s just a ploy to get something for nothing. Blacks and Liberal Marxists have little to commemorate except the destruction of liberty on a scale unheard of in American history. No people of any ethnicity came to this country under stellar circumstances. You would think that the Obamas and most blacks still had chains around their ankles, much like my ancestors did, some of whom came here as indentured servants.

Freedom has been dream come true for almost everyone who has come to this nation except for blacks. They simply never learned to deal with the responsibility of it and Liberal whites have been cashing in on them for decades. Even if they succeeded in wiping out every vestige of Southern history, it wouldn’t change the collective mindset of these perpetual “victims”.

“Truth crushed to earth is truth still and like a seed will rise again.” Jefferson Davis


73 posted on 05/11/2015 6:22:41 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Genoa; rockrr

rockrr us good man just he is a statist and cannot grasp the original intent of our countries founding, that the states were EQUAL to the federal. He just doesn’t get it.


74 posted on 05/11/2015 6:25:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr
Actually the ratification of the United States Constitution Mr. Lincoln's war “forever changed the nature of the United States by elevating the federal government to a position of supremacy over the states”.

Fixed.

75 posted on 05/11/2015 6:26:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

You took a factual statement and made it less than factual. That’s not fixing anything - that’s deluding yourself.


76 posted on 05/11/2015 6:41:06 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: riverdawg
Many Confederates viewed their insurrection as a second war of independence against tyranny.

What tyranny specifically?

77 posted on 05/11/2015 6:41:24 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: rockrr

Honestly, do you really think I am the only one, historian or political scientist that ever expressed that sentiment? It is patently obvious to any true historian or intellectually honest person. That is why you don’t get it.


78 posted on 05/11/2015 6:43:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

No, you’re not the only one to make that mistake. Others usually admit when they’re wrong and modify their position when confronted with the truth.


79 posted on 05/11/2015 6:46:07 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Genoa; rockrr
Offensive my rear end. Davis served his country (countries) with honor and distinction.

So Jefferson Davis was the 19th century Bowe Bergdahl?

Love the irony.

I'm not sure the statue should be taken down, but if you translate Davis's career into 21st century (or 20th century) terms, it's troubling.

It's also strange that we look back on the 19th century in such subjective and post-modern ways.

Nineteenth century men were a lot more critical of such divided loyalties -- at least until nostalgia clouded their vision.

80 posted on 05/11/2015 1:22:22 PM PDT by x
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