Posted on 05/07/2015 10:22:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
> Maybe, maybe not. It may have been something he felt so strongly about that he was willing to give his life for it if need be.
The more I live in this increasingly insane world brought about by King Obama the more I understand why Muzzies strap bombs to themselves and self detonate in the midst of their enemies...that’s not a good thing.
No, it depends on your coordinate system. It’s CONVENIENT to say the Earth orbits the sun, and the moon orbits the Earth, but a coordinate system could be composed in which it works the other way.
There are no “actual paths”. You can’t define a path unless there’s a coordinate system. I don’t care if you like that or grasp that or not.
Einstein says otherwise. All "inertial", that is, not accelerating with respect to each other, frames of reference are equivalent. Earth is orbiting Sol ... orbital motion is constant acceleration (the gravitational force causes the orbiter to move in a circle ... absent such it would continue in a straight line) ... therefore a Sol centered reference frame is not the same as an Earth centered reference frame.
Besides, killing him doesn’t really fix the “problem”, though it might potentially serve as a deterrent to future freedom-oriented techies.
That’s not mathematical. Or scientific. No matter the “coordinate system”, it will still show the same direction of travel of celestial bodies relative to each other. If that were untrue, then navigation of outer space would be impossible.
Never mind the context you are injecting this into, which ultimately justifies the persecution of both Galileo and Cody Wilson.
“Not exactly true (although his post made me think of exactly the same history). Heliocentricity leads to easier cosmological math, but since any coordinate system in space is arbitrary anyway, you can’t really say one is “correct” and one is not. It’s not like there’s a golden sphere at the origin and visible axes shooting off into space that defines the “real” coordinate system. “
Soooo given that I accept your premise that the sun revolves around the earth I have a question - Does the sun the orbit Mercury? What about Mars, Saturn, Jupiter???
How does the sun manage to orbit all of the planets at the same time while maintaining the same relative distance, astronomically speaking, from each and every planet? The only way for that to happen would be for all of the planets to be in the same space or for the sun to take an erratic path between all of the planets.
Just not buying it...
Think about home-manufactured surface-to-air missiles, micro-UAV's firing self-forging projectiles, etc. Things will get interesting.
Didn’t bother to read (or at least digest) my post, did ya?
You can go to Home Depot and get some pipe, and cut up an inner tube (oops, old school, we got tubless, now).
“Didn’t bother to read (or at least digest) my post, did ya?”
So please define for me what this “relative” coordinate system is that allows the sun violate basic geometric principles and orbit Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune all at the same time without changing its distance from each of these planets. It never gets closer or further from any of the planets. The only way for this to be possible is if the sun is AT THE CENTER OF A LARGE SPHERE/CIRCLE.
Words mean things. RELATIVE to the rest of the solar system the sun is at the center and the planets orbit around the sun, regardless of what other body the sun does or does not orbit.
Exactly - that's the biggest "open secret" of the Constitution, that all of humanity, the whole world, is protected by its fundamental premise.
The gent did not say one could create coordinate “systems” that depicted everything revolving around the earth. However, you could develop an XYZ system that shows how everything moves in relation to ONE point anywhere.
The fact is that the planets do move in relation to the sun- they do indeed orbit it. However, if the earth was arbitrarily determined to be the central point, then the planets movement relative to the earth would be some trajectory, along with the sun and any other heavenly body. How do you think we get a Rover to Mars? We start with the earth and move from there, to Mars.
Cody is a genius and speaks with a clarity and intelligence that makes him formidable. You don’t want to debate him on 2nd amendment issues. There must be a hundred must watch YouTube videos of him during the development of the PVC pistol and later with many interviews about his philosophy of flanking the gun control nazis, libertarianism and being a pain in the azz to the NWO in general. He possesses a beautiful mind and is a lesson in how to evaluate, analyze and consider events and phenomena of the modern world. He’d make a great political candidate
His newest gizmo is a small CNC machine that will turn a block of aluminum into an AR15 receiver. It costs $1200 but could pay itself off overnight if you have 12 friends willing to pay you $100 for a receiver.
More here:
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/cody-wilson-ghost-gunner/
Arm yourselves with a standard munition weapon, the future ain’t gonna be easy.
“Well, that’s why governments want “net neutrality” just for starters. An internet they control means an internet over which they control the content.”
Net neutrality is pointless. Those who want information will acquire and disseminate it. Those who wish to acquire the forbidden will find the knowledge and equipment to manufacture it themselves. It’s merely a question of cost.
Governments can only punish a few and are incapable of stopping the majority of those who choose to do things their government dislikes. All governmental attempts to suppress information will be a futile, wasteful and destructive exercise in futility.
I do not believe the point of this project was to produce a working firearm that could be printed and used by anyone everywhere, it was to prove that no government anywhere could stop someone within their jurisdiction from doing it and sharing that knowledge with whomever they will. It was to prove that the power of central governments do not exist to the extent these governments would have us believe.
Whether the loss of that power makes a citizen fearful or hopeful is irrelevant. The loss is real and has been demonstrated.
No, imagine a coordinate system that’s motionless in relationship to the Earth. Then the sun, with respect to that coordinate system, will orbit the earth. I didn’t necessarily say that in this alternate and arbitrary coordinate system the sun would orbit ALL the planets simultaneously. In fact, that would be impossible. In this geocentric coordinate system, the other planets will be doing some goofy-ass spirograph epitrochoids or something. Now, I’m not presenting this geocentric coordinate system as being particularly useful for anything, just came up while I was trying to make the point that it’s pointless/undefined to say that the Earth is “really” revolving about the sun. None of the path descriptions are “real” in the absence of a coordinate system with which to define and describe them, and a geocentric coordinate system is equally “valid”, though less useful, as a heliocentric one.
Secondly, yes, my OPPOSITION to coordinate system dogma would certainly legitimize the church’s USE of coordinate system dogma against Galileo. [eyeroll] Seriously? And finally, I can’t even begin to imagine how this position, this little tangent off this thread could be used to justify persecuting Wilson. It’s not even all that related, except in the slight way we both commented upon initially.
That clear enough?
Seems to have been suppressed to a great degree in Red China and Cuba and elsewhere that has the internet. Obama’s trying to sneak in that level of control.
Didn't say any of that stuff, did I? If you choose a geocentric and geostationary coordinate system, then with respect to that coordinate system, the sun will orbit the Earth. No, the other planets will not orbit the Earth, they'll end up doing epitrochoids or something wrt this coordinate system, but then I never said that they would. You, for some bizarre reason, inferred that. (Oh, and you might want to understand your own coordinate system better if you're going to defend it so vociferously. In the heliocentric system, the planets' orbits aren't circles, though some are close. They're ellipses, with the sun at one focus.)
Ah, I have to “imagine” this coordinate system. IOW, be independent of reality and observation. That sure sounds scientific!
Galileo was mentioned in this thread because of the persecution he had to endure for demonstrating a heliocentric orbit for Earth. The comparison was with respect to governments persecuting people for doing things that are not wrong or dangerous to society or even the rule of honest statesmen, but how demagogues and tyrants react to any challenge to their draconian authority.
You have to “imagine” (or “choose”) WHATEVER coordinate system you then use. That’s kinda my point.
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