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To: Jacquerie; Rocky; Steve1789; Hostage

It’s like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. You might live, you might die. You don’t know until you try.

But consider this: the liberals almost always get their way, even when the Republicans have the majority. Why would this turn out any different?

If you can’t get what you want when the Republicans control both houses of Congress, you won’t get what you want in a convention.


30 posted on 05/07/2015 1:47:26 AM PDT by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwel)
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To: Rocky; Jacquerie; Steve1789

> “It’s like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. You might live, you might die. You don’t know until you try.”

Poor analogy; flawed structural premise.

More like jumping out of an airplane ***with*** a parachute. The pilot flying the plane, the plane’s altitude, speed, course and location, the experience and alertness of the pro packing the parachute, all are design and operational factors to be rightly reviewed and monitored. The analogy would be more accurate if the plane were out of gas but still maneuverable under its momentum, with clear awareness that it will soon crash so that there is no time to waste.

Such a review and alertness of design and operational factors exists in the able persons leading the Convention of States Project. They are persons with a long history in government and politics, professors of law, attorneys, historians who are very aware, likely much more aware than most every casual reader or troll on the internet, of how to achieve good order and to lay out the rules for the process. A review of rules and procedures is fair game.

> “But consider this: the liberals almost always get their way, even when the Republicans have the majority. Why would this turn out any different?”

Again poor structural premise; equivalent to “All humans end up dying so why live?”. Liberals do not almost always get their way, far from it. Republicans have the majority because of grassroots conservatives but lack at this point control of the leadership which is at the moment in the hands of certain moderates who form what is known as the establishment republicans. Conflict with these wayward establishment types is ongoing; the days of their hands on the controls are numbered.

In reaction to the conflict between grassroots conservatives and establishment moderates calling themselves republican, the grassroots have turned to Article V which bypasses the controllers in Congress as well as the Executive and the Judiciary. Just as grassroots conservatives have been successful in taking control of State houses, more so that at anytime in US History, they are now picking up the tools at their disposal to check Congress and all federal branches so that balance is restored, just as the Founders had intended. This movement is entirely constitutionally authorized and warranted.

> “If you can’t get what you want when the Republicans control both houses of Congress, you won’t get what you want in a convention.”

Flawed logic. The Beltway Class is separate from the Country Class; complete different populations of people in character and in priorities. They are not comparable. The people of the Country Class are using Article V to impose fiscal restraints, term limits, states rights and a general check on federal government. The Beltway Class would never undertake such reforms of themselves; they are not expected nor were they ever expected to be supportive of the Article V movement.


31 posted on 05/07/2015 2:44:03 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Rocky
But consider this: the liberals almost always get their way, even when the Republicans have the majority.

This statement betrays a belief that the Republican party is not liberal.

33 posted on 05/08/2015 8:53:35 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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