At What Point Do We Call Schools Orphanages?

The Federalist ^ | May 4, 2015 | Joy Pullmann, managing editor

[lee martell]

Armatures or amateurs? I think you mean amateurs.

[Sivad]

Well said. The left started leading and pushing society
down this path over 50 years ago......let’s blame poverty
and throw money at it. Then when that doesn’t work let’s
throw more money at it. Meanwhile, the liberal social
scientists sold self indulgence and “do your own thing”
concepts to the sheeple while making black American males
irrelevant to their families. Our once proud culture
is toast already.

[Daffynition]

I don’t disagree with you.

Dewey’s books were widely received in Stalinist Russia. They fit perfectly for what the Russians were doing. Then came civil war and millions men, women and children died.

[sten]

‘dysfuntional’... a conservative or non-pro-homo household would also be considered ‘dysfunctional’ by the left

remember that

[piasa]

This is Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers’ wet dream...

[piasa]

Who is going to be part of it? This guy, who did such a ‘fine job’ in Cleveland and Chicago?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122212856075765367

[mountainbunny]

Quite frankly, this may be what is exactly needed. Put the inner city kids in boarding-like schools and force them to be educated. They may be kicking and screaming, but it might also solve a lot of problems.

Quite frankly, if you think for even a split second that they will be happy to stop with inner city kids, you are insane.

If it "works" with inner city children, it will move on to all children within a decade.

Imagine in a generation or two what the positive outcomes could be.

I don't have to imagine. I can open a book and look at the rise of the Hitler-Jugend, the Bund Deutscher Mädel, and the Deutsches Jungvolk. While I'm sure the marching was fun, I seem to recall that it had a drawback or two.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

We’re talking about assigning a kid to full-time government oversight simply because his parents have less money than some other

What about government schooling in general? Who spends more time with children, parents or the school?

Modern forced schooling is a VERY new invention, and as late as the WWII generation, there was no great stigma attached to dropping out of high school.

A former NY State Teacher of the Year has written a history of compulsory schooling that he made available to read on-line for free.

School has been a progressive project from the beginning.

The Underground History of American Education

[Katya]

Orphanages fell out of favor as psychologists and sociologists studied the outcome of attachment theory. That began to mean that children were returned to unstable families. I would argue that the ability to form close relationships may be less important than learning how to function in society, and ultimately having the ability to take care of oneself.

[Dr. Sivana]

I would argue that the ability to form close relationships may be less important than learning how to function in society, and ultimately having the ability to take care of oneself.

If you have ever known a child with Attachment Disorder, you would know that the two are inseparable. That said, there is no reason a healthy attachment cannot be made with the people who work with the children in orphanages. They are not all Miss Hannigan/Miss Asthma.

[Katya]

I have met adults with attachment issues, that also suffer from features of borderline personality disorders andas sad as their inability to maintain relationships may be... They often focus their energizes on career and hobbies. They are however not in jail. I agree that orphanages do allow for attachment...I just see too many children growing up in disfunctional low SES households unable to cope with life.

[Dr. Sivana]

I have met adults with attachment issues, that also suffer from features of borderline personality disorders andas sad as their inability to maintain relationships may be... They often focus their energizes on career and hobbies. They are however not in jail.

From the sounds of it, those are less severe cases than I witnessed. The outcomes of severe attachment disorder (never a bond in the first 24 months or so) leads to either jail or at best permeanent group home, depending on aggression and intelligence.

[Captain Compassion]

Amateurs. Darn spell checkers.

[DungeonMaster]

So does the unwed mother of these kids still get all the welfare for having produced an unwanted child? Why not put said “mothers” in chicken coops and let the babies drop out and roll them straight into the government training facilities.

[webstersII]

Are you nuts?

This program would grow from just a few “at risk” kids at first to eventually the point that parents wouldn’t have a choice anymore.

It constantly amazes me to see how many big government nanny state types are on FR. They think big government is fine as long as they are the fascist in charge.

[webstersII]

“Government schooling was intended and designed to destroy the family”

Yep. Our school system is based on the Prussian school system, whose stated purpose was to take children and mold them into good citizens totally subservient to the state.