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Ford Sees Growing Demand For Natural Gas Vehicles Like F-150
Forbes ^ | 5/04/2015

Posted on 05/04/2015 4:17:20 AM PDT by thackney

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To: bert

There’s been some ideas floating around to give semis a “fuel car” with CNG tanks to give them the range they need. It would hook up between the semi and the trailer. I suppose it’s no worse than the double bottom trash haulers that tear up Detroit’s highways.

CC


21 posted on 05/04/2015 5:30:42 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Sufficient unto the day are the troubles therof)
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To: snoringbear
Btw, I’m old enough to remember when diesel price was about half of gasoline.

Much of the added price in diesel came from the EPA Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel regulations. While diesel has a little more tax, the processing of it in the refinery became much more expensive.

22 posted on 05/04/2015 5:35:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Development on the fuel tank front has been fast and furious over the past year. Just last summer, we reported that Freightliner was boasting fuel tank range of up to 700 miles with a back-of-cab and saddle tank system capacity of 115 diesel-gallon equivalents. A year later, Carrick says he can build a system with a range of 1,200 miles.

“I can give you dual 45-gallon CNG tanks on the rail and 155 back of cab,” he says. “With capacity of 245 gallons of fuel, you’ve got a range of 1,200 miles.”

http://www.truckinginfo.com/article/story/2014/09/natural-gas.aspx


23 posted on 05/04/2015 5:37:17 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Available from the factory on the Dodge Ram for a few years already. Ford Is behind.


24 posted on 05/04/2015 5:46:37 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: cripplecreek
Driven by market forces.

The right way.

Yup, I remember in the early 70's during the "gas shortages" and gas station lines, folks were buying VW and other diesel powered cars, until the cost of diesel surpassed gasoline.

25 posted on 05/04/2015 5:49:21 AM PDT by PROCON (CRUZing into 2016 with Ted!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/06/cng-test-drive-ford-f-250-sd-bi-fuel.html
June 23, 2012

GM and Ram drew quite a bit of attention at the 2012 NTEA show by announcing bi-fuel compressed-natural-gas heavy-duty trucks sold through their fleet and commercial networks. For comparison’s sake, we note that the Chevy Silverado 2500 HD can be ordered through any dealer, but it does need to be shipped to Impco for the alternative-fuel retrofit.

The Ram HD 2500 will be built on the production line in Mexico. So technically, it will be the first of the major players to offer a factory-installed bi-fuel CNG option. However, many don’t know that Ford’s bifuel CNG program has been in place for several years, and its supplier, Westport Inc., is just feet away from the Kentucky plant production line that makes the Super Duty.

26 posted on 05/04/2015 5:56:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Since 1997, Ford has offered its F-series pickups with a dedicated natural gas engine option.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/pdfs/f250.pdf


27 posted on 05/04/2015 5:58:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Much of the added price in diesel came from the EPA Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel regulations. While diesel has a little more tax, the processing of it in the refinery became much more expensive.

Did you ever read about the biodiesel requirement?

Ruined most of the kerosene heaters used in the US.

28 posted on 05/04/2015 6:10:12 AM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: thackney
because it lowers their fleet operating costs and reduces greenhouse gas emissions.

Because it lowers their fleet operating costs. They don't give a happy damn about the fantasy of the greenhouse gas emissions and the climate fantasies of the totalitarians in Washington.

29 posted on 05/04/2015 6:11:33 AM PDT by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: thackney

Nat gas, propane, acetylene, etc., and gasoline all make excellent bombs if you are specifically using it in making a bomb.


30 posted on 05/04/2015 6:16:22 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: thackney

won’t be a big market as one needs lots of NG stations.

Best bets for NG are in truck fleets, ports and buses. for these, NG refilling can occur along interstates and in central terminals.


31 posted on 05/04/2015 6:17:17 AM PDT by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: thackney

Cool, thanks.

CC


32 posted on 05/04/2015 6:35:04 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Sufficient unto the day are the troubles therof)
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To: thackney

I think that Fed Ex and UPS are also using in some areas. It makes sense for any transportation, delivery operation that return to a central hub at the end of shift. It would make a lot of sense for the postal service. Maybe they could actually not lose as much money.


33 posted on 05/04/2015 6:38:54 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: IMR 4350

Nat Gas makes a lousy bomb.

You have to dilute in down to 15% concentration mixed into air before it will ignite.


34 posted on 05/04/2015 6:43:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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They are even trying out NatGas for long haul trucking, but I believe that is just LNG.

http://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/global-english/fedex-freight-debuts-new-lng-tractors-in-dallas/

http://www.pressroom.ups.com/Press+Releases/Current+Press+Releases/UPS+Freight+Adds+LNG+Tractors

http://theenergycollective.com/michaelgiberson/52476/ups-turns-lng-not-cng-natural-gas-fueled-long-haul-trucks


35 posted on 05/04/2015 6:47:04 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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“I can give you dual 45-gallon CNG tanks on the rail and 155 back of cab,” he says. “With capacity of 245 gallons of fuel, you’ve got a range of 1,200 miles.”

I only need a vehicle with a range equal to or greater than my bladder range. ;-) Seriously though, good range is important given the relative scarcity of filling stations. As they become more common then range will be less of an issue. How about using CNG or propane as the backup in a hybrid system with regenerative braking?

36 posted on 05/04/2015 6:51:58 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: thackney

I’m a proud owner of an F-150, and am quite certain that after a half dozen beef and been burritos I could power that Ford with natural gas.


37 posted on 05/04/2015 6:54:21 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Yes Ma'am, I said I'd like three sides of bacon with my eggs. and bacon.)
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To: thackney
That's why I said public buses. All the buses on Sacramento Regional Transit are CNG-fueled, now that they've overcome some of the early reliability issues with the fuel system.
38 posted on 05/04/2015 6:59:37 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: arthurus

However, what Washington could do would be to offer tax credits for switching to these natural gas vehicles. If you could depreciate the cost of buying these in a much shorter period than normal(say two or three years)then you would see all sorts of delivery companies install CNG systems.

For example, about 15 years back the Federal government changed the law to allow a business to depreciate the cost of new trucks over 6000 pounds 50% in the first year. All my lumber yard customers went out and bought new flatbed delivery trucks. As an unintended consequence: H2 Hummers, Cadillac SUV, Lincoln Navigators and Chevy Suburbans also weigh over 6000 lbs. So, people that owned other business went out and bought these SUVs. A buddy of mine owns a hair salon. He bought a new Hummer and wrote it off as a company car. My dentist did the same with a Lincoln. The SUV dealers couldn’t keep these trucks on their lots. They were selling at full sticker.

The point is the government can do something to incentivize the switch to natural gas and away from diesel if it wants to.


39 posted on 05/04/2015 6:59:45 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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Problem right now in Omaha is infrastructure. They have a couple around town or if you have NG at home you can put in a charging station for a couple grand but moisture is an issue.


40 posted on 05/04/2015 7:32:13 AM PDT by Mean Daddy
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