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To: PapaNew; P-Marlowe

Jesus did not take the repentant thief down from the cross he was on. The civil punishment held.

Forgiven does not mean consequences in this life go away. A homosexual with AIDS who repents and is saved will still have AIDS in almost all cases.


193 posted on 03/19/2015 4:53:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It -- Those Who Truly Support Our Troops Pray for Their Victory!)
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To: xzins

Don’t switch horses in the middle of the stream and confuse the issue. We were talking about forgiveness by the victim’s family, not by the state. The efficacy of forgiveness by the victim’s family and the futility of vengeance is an important element of why the death penalty is a literal dead-end street and has nothing to do with the state abdicating it’s role and responsibilities.

And don’t pretend I’m advocating no consequences. That’s bad faith on your part if you’ve paid any attention at all to what I’ve been saying. The state has a responsibility to deal with criminals, first and foremost to incarcerate them to protect society.


195 posted on 03/19/2015 8:10:30 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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