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To: Kaslin; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; xzins; YHAOS; MHGinTN
...[T]his kind of conflict is never, ever gonna be solved with an agreement. Just like World War II was not gonna be solved with an agreement. You get the agreement after one side surrenders, and there's only one way to make that happen is if you beat them in war. And that, of course, can't even have that on the table. No, no, no, no, no. Not even gonna go there. So the utter futility. I'm just amazed at everything and how it keeps repeating itself. Different people saying the same things, different people doing the same things, different people proposing the same things, different people, depending on the year, the generation, different people concocting a new variation of an old idea.... It never works and it's not even based on reality....

Absolutely it never works. Because the "progressivist insurrection" is not in any way, shape, or form based on Reality. If one were to invoke the criteria of actual Reality, one would have to say that every attempt whatsoever to establish a progressivist Utopia has always failed.

But any such "success" would require the abolition of "First Reality," in order to pave the way for the establishment of a Second Reality — the sort of thing that Lewis Carroll famously documented in his Through the Looking Glass: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.

In this big-picture scenario, 0bama is the Red Queen.... (or is it Valerie Jarrett?)....

Progressivist ideology requires two things: (1) the Death of God; (2) the extinction of human history as relevant subject matter that one can draw on to inform the proper ordering of human society today. In short, not only the death of God will do, but the death of the historical human past is required, on the putative grounds that the future is entirely understandable and even predictable without knowledge of the human past.

I won't belabor this point beyond saying that public education nowadays at all levels does not seem to devote itself to the transmission of knowledge about the human historical and cultural past. Forget the classical definition of education as the transmission of culture from one generation to the next. This idea has been "overcome." Progressivism has to "erace" man before it can "reform" him into its own image. It takes the actual multi-millennial record that can be documented and "reinterprets" it in ways deemed advantageous to the success of various "progressive" enterprises and schemes.

In short, we are invited/forced? to toss the rising generation into Alice's rabbit hole, to be taught to observe and wonder about the meaning of a universe that has been entirely subverted and "inverted" beyond direct human experience, common sense, and reason itself.

You put up such great posts, Kaslin! Thank you so very much!

11 posted on 03/18/2015 9:53:30 AM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR)
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12 posted on 03/18/2015 11:04:51 AM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: betty boop; Kaslin; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; xzins; MHGinTN
Because the “progressivist insurrection” is not in any way, shape, or form based on Reality..

Precisely so, BOOP. And precisely the reason why the “Liberal” (by whatever name it may call itself at any given moment or at any given locality) Establishment greeted the “news” of Bibi’s defeat with such relish on the 17th, and were so dejected by the reality of the 18th. They can accept only a Liberal “truth” satisfying to them, and there will always be Hell to pay if any truth of reality dares contradict the “truth” of Liberal doctrine.

Thanks for the BEEP. Always welcome from you.

14 posted on 03/18/2015 11:41:05 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: betty boop
Progressivist ideology requires two things: (1) the Death of God; (2) the extinction of human history as relevant subject matter that one can draw on to inform the proper ordering of human society today.

Indeed. And as you say, the progressives have captured the public education agenda not to foster knowledge but to press their own agenda. In my view, their own agenda would result in the kind of world shown in the 1997 movie Gattaca where human perfection was defined and produced by the state and the imperfect by their definition were not tolerated at all.

Thank you so much for all your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

17 posted on 03/19/2015 8:51:43 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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