[Perdogg]

That is true. However, the key word is “jurisdiction”. An American Airman whose British wife gives birth in a London hospital to baby boy - the boy is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore a citizen at birth, therefore making him nbC.

[DiogenesLamp]

That is true. However, the key word is “jurisdiction”. An American Airman whose British wife gives birth in a London hospital to baby boy - the boy is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore a citizen at birth, therefore making him nbC.

Well if "Subject to the Jurisdiction thereof" as mentioned in the 14th amendment gives US Jurisdiction over the children of Illegal Immigrants, than applying the exact same rule in the exact same way gives England "Jurisdiction" over babies born in their country.

Do we use one rule when we apply the concept domestically and another rule when we apply it abroad? Cause I thought the word was supposed to mean the same thing in all cases.

Besides that, i've got an even better argument i'll post in the next message. :)

[DiogenesLamp]

That is true. However, the key word is “jurisdiction”. An American Airman whose British wife gives birth in a London hospital to baby boy - the boy is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore a citizen at birth, therefore making him nbC.

My better argument is to include what the Supreme court said BEFORE that quote I excerpted.

Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, ...

I read it as the Supreme court declaring that "Jurisdiction" means within the actual borders.