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To: WhiskeyX
Other sources are saying "Russian Jets And Bombers Buzz Nato Task Force Ships In The Black Sea."

If Russia orchestrated a coup in Mexico and tried to get them to reclaim the Southwest, do you think we'd buzz some Russian warships in the Gulf of Mexico?

The Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits is a 1936 agreement that gives Turkey control over the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles and regulates the transit of naval warships. The Convention gives Turkey full control over the Straits and guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime. It restricts the passage of naval ships not belonging to Black Sea states.

We didn't patrol the Black Sea during the Cold War, even though we happily buzzed Russian trawlers on the open seas for following our ships.

Even the Nazis didn't break the The Montreux Convention. They had to work with the shipping they could commandeer from their Black Sea vassals.

6 posted on 03/04/2015 10:41:03 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

So you guys are still around, I guess the anti-America crowd never goes away.


7 posted on 03/04/2015 10:44:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Gunslingr3

So USS Yorktown and USS Caron weren’t really in the Black Sea in 1986 and again in 1988 when they were ‘bumped’?


8 posted on 03/04/2015 11:14:02 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Gunslingr3

“If Russia orchestrated a coup in Mexico and tried to get them to reclaim the Southwest, do you think we’d buzz some Russian warships in the Gulf of Mexico?”

1. The United States did not organize a coup in the Ukraine.

2. The only coup which occurred in the Ukraine were those coups conducted by Russia during the past 20 years to put Yanukovych in office through the use of massive vote fraud and other corruption.

3. No, the United States would not violate the standard rules of engagement with Russian warships during peaceful relations, because doing so would result in unintended risk of an incident of naval conflict and a war. The current Russian actions serve as dangerous provocations outside the scope of the well understood standard rules of engagement.

4. Imperial Germany and Imperial Japan previously attempted to enlist Mexico as an ally against the United Stats with a promise of restoring the American Southwest territories to Mexican dominion in return for basing their armies in Mexico. The United States exercised restraint in those cases by establishing a U.S. Naval base for a destroyer squadron at San Diego to overwatch Magdalena Bay in Baja California and conducted the Mexico 1916-1917 14 March 1916-7 February 1917 in addition to the earlier cavalry patrols along the Mexican border searching for German spies and Japanese Army patrols.


11 posted on 03/05/2015 1:17:04 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Gunslingr3
"If Russia orchestrated a coup in Mexico and tried to get them to reclaim the Southwest, do you think we'd buzz some Russian warships in the Gulf of Mexico?"

Well Gunslinger, at least you and I get it.

A year ago Putin was gradually drawing the Ukraine back into the Russia sphere. If he had succeeded no one would have died and Russia would have acquired a huge, poor country with few export possibilities and an unproductive population.

Obama's response was to stage a coup, installing an American puppet to run the country. Today's situation is a result of that decision. Another Obama VICTORY in foreign affairs!

15 posted on 03/05/2015 3:06:29 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Save Western Civilization. Embrace the new Crusades.)
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To: Gunslingr3

You are wrong on many counts.

We’ll jump over your implying that we interfered in Russia’s natural right to a Ukrainian puppet state, and go straight to the issue of the treaty.

Non-Black Sea states are not prohibited entry to the Black Sea by the treaty. No more than nine non-Black Sea state warships, with a total aggregate tonnage of no more than 30,000 tons, may pass at any one time, and they are permitted to stay in the Black Sea for no longer than twenty-one days.

During the Cold War, we regularly sent destroyers and frigates into the Black Sea.


16 posted on 03/05/2015 4:50:06 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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