But I have an idea on this.
Do we know what a zimzum is?
The Bible is what it is. And Rob Bell will have to meet the Great White throne.
Freegards
LEX
Well, the New Testament is made up of “letters from 2000 years ago”; gee, who was alive about 2000 years ago? Seems to slip my mind....
To liberals nothing matters but advancing the agenda to destroy our culture. Facts, testimony, etc; they only count if they help advance the agenda.
Have a nice time at the judgement.
BTW, what else do you expect from one of Opra’s shows?
I don’t know who Rob Bell is. I have always liked the last name “Bell” but he is spoiling it for me.
if we were desiging the world, we MIGHT say...WTF...let guys marry each other for all we care
but we are not designing the world
the design is that of the maker
so....guys can live together, yes
and
we won’t discriminate against them in normal daily life out in the public square, yes
but whatever they say, its not “marriage”
he said “Forget this, I want to be famous”
Who the hell is Rob Bell and why should I care?
“Untie the ropes that bind”...
And this is the sort of thing you get.
Weirdo creepy disgusting thing.
But I have an idea on this.
While I have enough problems, I am sure the hell glad I am not Rob bell.
Rationalization is the second greatest human drive.
1 timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Rob Bell is too busy making money from his Mars Hill Bible Church to read the Bible. What needs to be established is the fraudulent nature of “marriage equality” as they are now calling it. The Bible touches on it in ten places:
Genesis 2:18, 22, 23:
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
If God thought a man was a better mate for Adam, he would have made another man.
Genesis 19:1-9:
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. 3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
These passages reveal the wickedness of Homosexual rape as well as the practice of homosexuality.
Leviticus 18:22:
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13:
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 23:17-18:
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
Deuteronomy 22:5:
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
Romans 1:26-27:
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural , 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9-11:
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
I Timothy 1:8-10:
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
2 Peter 2:6-10:
6 If he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
On the perversion of the family issue, we need to formulate a clear message that defends monogamous heterosexual marriage. We have a huge electorate who does not know the implications of normalizing homosexual relationships and has been dumbed down by the Hollywood media. You see them clapping on shows that promote homosexuality and same sex marriage. Most American have no clue what the battle is about. This is because “marriage equality” has been redefined as a civil rights issue on the level of racial equality. The media indoctrination for “marriage equality” has been irresponsible and non-stop as it relives the intrigue of a civil rights struggle that was played out with race. How we stop the propaganda campaign of redefinition will be a challenge.
Basically, same-sex marriage violates the natural parent-child bond in every family, and the right of the family to protection by society and the state. It discards the fundamental understanding that the family, based upon the heterosexual marriage, is the very foundation of society. Same sex-marriage will de-naturalize the family by rendering in their entirety familial relationships as ever changing expressions of law. Such a changing set of laws will crush the monogamous heterosexual marriage with instability. It will be like forcing one to drive though an intersection without traffic lights. That universal understanding for thousands of years, that the family is a small society (a sovereign state) with unique rights and responsibilities independent of the state will end. Instead, the family will become mere policy relationships, defined and imposed by arbitrary resolutions of the state. The family (this society) founded more immediately in nature—the proles (procreation or fruitfulness)—will no longer have the distinction of sexual difference, with its distinctive quality of generative power. It is the civil right of the family to continue as the natural and fundamental group unit of society. With a change in the definition of marriage, the family will have no direct connection to nature. This leaves the parent-child relation open to increasing intervention by the state. And with the possibility of the state being influenced by foreign forces, the definition of the family could be expanded to include such barbarous practices as marriage to children and polygamy.
With the definition of marriage redefined, the state with its new found power, will undermine further the sovereign nature of the family; and the sphere of the church or religious community as well—the two spheres where divine and human rights, independent of the state, are located. This will come as an all out assault on hetero-sexism, or anything that seems to privilege the male-female binary or the nuclear family. It will enable the state to indoctrinate children and deprive parents of the power to intervene. The individual—men, women and children—will be reduced to be subjects of the state with no divine rights. We must understand the serious nature of this fight. There will be no peace to be had by capitulation.
This fight must be be vigorously taken up by Christians who can boldly declare that marriage is a gift—something we receive with creation, not something we invent—and that only what is capable of being a marriage act is natural sex. I believe that this issue can be fought on the moral level as it presents itself to the sovereignty of the family. Then it can be perceived as a real human rights issue. When the real issue of human rights, as it pertains to nature’s law as ordained by God, then the real human rights case can be made. The human right of the monogamous heterosexual marriage should supersede the false case made for human equality as promoted by the “marriage equality” deceivers.
Rob Bell is the subject of conversation in many of the radio programs from Olive Tree Ministries, with Jan Markell.
This subject, of the Emergent Church, Rob Bell (and others) along with post-modernism is frequently discussed — along with a number of other topics relevant to Christianity.
I would advise others to tune into Jan Markell here ...
Olive Tree Ministries
http://www.olivetreeviews.org
There are several years worth of good and informative programs here!
The steady state of mankind is apostasy. This is expected. It happened in the OT, when Christ walked the earth in the NT and afterward. We shouldn’t be surprised, ever. It’s a war and it’s not going to change. Luckily, we know how this book ends. We win.