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A Pincer Movement on Ammunition The ATF is one side, and the EPA is the other.
National Review ^ | Kevin D. Williamson | Kevin D. Williamson

Posted on 02/18/2015 5:15:44 PM PST by Red Steel

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To: Red Steel

The “sporting purposes” nonsense should have gone away the day the Heller decision was handed down.

Also, lead poisoning by ingestion of hunting projectiles is mostly hype and junk science. Even if there are some shreds of truth there, it doesn’t warrant the blanket ban in California.


41 posted on 02/19/2015 6:37:12 AM PST by barefoot_hiker
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To: Red Steel
This is long but necessary;

This entire proposal is a distraction, effective because of the demonization of the AR platform rifles erroneously called 'assault rifles'.

The purpose of this amendment to the Gun Control Act is to make ineffective ALL semi-automatic pistols and in addition ALL revolvers by making the ammunition for them extremely difficult to get.

I will put some selections of the proposed framework here. I encourage anyone/everyone to read the entire 17 page document.

Please, if my interpretation is wrong post and tell me how. NRA-ILA

I posted the NRA link because I could not figure out how to post the long pdf link;

Begin exceprts.

From page 3;

Our legislation would not limit the availability of standard rifle ammunition with armor-piercing capability.

We recognize that soft body armor is not intended to stop high powered rifle cartridges. Time and again Congressman Biaggi and I have stressed that only bullets capable of penetrating body armor and designed to be fired from a handgun would be banned; rifle ammunition would not be covered.

… Instead, the definition has two alternatives: the first focuses on the composition of the ammunition, and whether it “may be used” in a handgun;

the second focuses on size, jacket weight, and the design and intention for the ammunition.

Specifically, the definition of “armor piercing ammunition” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) provides:

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron,brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

From page 12;

With these factors in mind, ATF has developed the following framework to guide its analysis in processing requests to exempt as “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” projectiles otherwise appropriately classified as armor piercing:

Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles

A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

ATF has long recognized .22 rimfire firearms and ammunition as primarily intended for sporting use.

Further, .22 rimfire projectiles are usually 40 grains or lighter and are generally suitable only for use against small game and at short distances.

This ammunition poses little threat to law enforcement and exemption of such ammunition is consistent with the language, statutory scheme, and intent of LEOPA.

Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles

Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun .

ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes

From page 13;

The term “single shot handgun” means a break-open or bolt action handgun that can accept only a single cartridge manually, and does not accept or use a magazine or other ammunition feeding device.

The term does not include a pocket pistol or derringer-type firearm.

While the design of most single shot handguns shows that they are primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, this is not necessarily the case of handguns with larger ammunition capacities.

Revolvers and semi-automatic handguns, which are designed to be loaded with multiple rounds of ammunition that can be fired and reloaded quickly, differ substantially in design and function from single shot handguns.

The likely use of revolvers and semi-automatic handguns in the community varies, and the projectiles they use are, in many cases, interchangeable among models designed to use the same or similar calibers.

Consequently, it is not possible to conclude that revolvers and semi-automatic handguns as a class are “primarily intended” for use in sporting purposes.

42 posted on 02/19/2015 10:41:31 AM PST by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: LucyT

That person writes like a Dr. Bronners soap container. Not that I don’t like what they say though!


43 posted on 02/19/2015 1:32:26 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

Why not? it’s steel.


44 posted on 02/19/2015 1:54:19 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ctdonath2
No, it's not. M855 is a copper jacketed round with lead backing a small steel insert in the tip.


45 posted on 02/19/2015 4:25:57 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith; All

For what it’s worth, just about ANYTHING you could think of that would machine or mold into a bullet shaped object will penetrate a soft vest as long as it’s going over ~2100-2200 fps.


46 posted on 02/19/2015 4:32:26 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Does so
Be careful, I am sure there are NSA agents feeding information to BAFT, so whatever you do, follow all existing laws. Shipping of ammo involves lots of interesting regulations. If you are truly into reloading, may I suggest stocking up on primers, most other things you can figure out substitutes. Same for primers, but much more difficult.
47 posted on 02/19/2015 11:14:01 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
what’s next?

Lead. So, nothing to worry about.

48 posted on 02/23/2015 2:41:51 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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