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And what everyone needs to realize is that when socialized medicine was instituted in the UK and Canada it was done by well-meaning politicians who believe it would help. The United States has had Medicare and Medicaid for half a century and both have been disasters. We can look that systems like the UK and Canada and see the failures, yet the left still pushed Obamacare.

The only logical conclusion is that they're not well-meaning, it is just about money and power.

1 posted on 02/13/2015 10:44:40 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 02/13/2015 10:45:14 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 02/13/2015 10:45:32 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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4 posted on 02/13/2015 10:45:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Just what we need.

And what’s to stop someone with an agenda from falsifying, IOW lying on the form as they evaluate the patient?

Absolutely NOTHING.........


5 posted on 02/13/2015 10:48:10 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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The Death Panels are essentially a way to “fix” the SocSec and Medicare financials.

Each year sliced off the life expectancy is a huge plus.

When the millennials get uneasy over grandma’s premature demise, the govt will send out Groupons for student loan relief.


6 posted on 02/13/2015 10:49:37 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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One of the many reasons Congress exempted themselves.


7 posted on 02/13/2015 10:51:31 AM PST by 556x45
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Elderly Person = 99% of Congress


8 posted on 02/13/2015 10:54:10 AM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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Bttt


9 posted on 02/13/2015 10:54:25 AM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: wagglebee
"Just give 'em a pill." Barack Obama

Seriously ill old people have a "duty to die and get out of the way." Democrat Richard D. Lamm former governor of Colorado

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative. PELOSI

15 posted on 02/13/2015 11:05:53 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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I hear Sarah Palins voice saying; I TOLD YOU!!!
16 posted on 02/13/2015 11:08:57 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else need s said?)
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Right now in Great Britain, if you are deemed to have no hope for recovery, no matter your age, and if you have no one to speak up for you, you are shuttled to a back room and left to die. That means no food and no water and no medication.

People know that if they have to go to the hospital and are ill, they make sure they have someone who will make noise for them so they are not shuttled to a back room in order to die alone.

People have told me I am wrong about this, but believe me I am not wrong. This list just shows how they have planned to deem an old person unfit for care, but their treatment of all truly sick people, especially the ones who have no one to speak up for them, is equally appalling.

17 posted on 02/13/2015 11:48:53 AM PST by Slyfox (I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever)
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Gotta get rid of those old Whiteys so the new occupants of this country can come and take their place.


20 posted on 02/13/2015 12:13:08 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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And what everyone needs to realize is that when socialized medicine was instituted in the UK and Canada it was done by well-meaning politicians who believe it would help

So how come labor politician and socialist Attlee got elected over conservative war hero Churchill after WWII.....?

Answer.,.....he lied...promised free medical care for the returning soldiers and their families....

Once elected the labor party promptly nationalized coal, electricity, transport, railways and hospitals,....food rationing extended to mid 50's

21 posted on 02/13/2015 12:13:55 PM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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btt


23 posted on 02/13/2015 12:23:16 PM PST by Dante3
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Note that the Supreme Court refused to get involved in the Terri Shiavo case because it was a state power issue.


24 posted on 02/13/2015 1:38:23 PM PST by Amendment10
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I have no doubt that the people running healthcare companies will pay themselves bonus money for killing people.

Bob: We need to move more people to the cemetery to cut costs.
Roger: You are right, I want a new swimming pool and the bonus money will come in handy.


25 posted on 02/13/2015 3:13:49 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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the Liverpool pathway was supposed to be for folks whose pain could not be controlled any other way. Alas, soon it morphed into killing people faster.

Similarly, not giving IV fluids and feeding tubes is a nuanced decision (in multisystem failure, these things only prolong the dying process...

in the comatose, a feeding tube leads to pneumonia and death within six months, so it doesn’t really prolong life if the person can’t swallow. The problem is that often these are inserted because the nursing homes lack staff to spoon feed these people, which takes time to do carefully... This is why I doubt Terri Schiavo was PVS).

In recent years, not giving fluid and hydration by IV or tube too has morphed into killing the inconvenient, even to the extend that some “ethicists” would deny spoon feeding of the brain damaged. This is why Pope John Paul II changed the church law on feeding tubes and insisted they be used if a person was merely handicapped and not terminal.

Of course, nowadays, the term “terminal illness” is being stretched to include lots of diseases that can be treated.
Diabetic and needing dialysis is expensive, so watch carefully when the “experts” start denying this treatment...


28 posted on 02/15/2015 1:33:27 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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